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Old January 30th 13, 08:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.crafts.metalworking,rec.aviation.military,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.labor-unions
Max Boot
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Default Is the 787 a failure ?

On 1/30/2013 12:30 PM, Transition Zone wrote:
On Jan 29, 4:45 pm, Max Boot wrote:
On 1/29/2013 1:13 PM, Transition Zone wrote:









On Jan 29, 3:02 pm, Max Boot wrote:
On 1/29/2013 11:40 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


"Max Boot" wrote in message
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On 1/29/2013 8:50 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:


So Europeans are fully justified in crucifying Boeing over a battery
that harmed no one, but Americans MUST NOT embarrassingly mention the
fatal crash of an Airbus that was in perfect working condition when it
smashed into the ocean?


Such fragile egos!


Okay, so you're not just an untraveled rube and bumpkin, you're also
hyper-nationalistic and sensitive about being an untraveled rube.


I haven't seen anything to suggest Europeans are "crucifying" [sic]
Boeing over the battery problem. You seem to be trying to downplay it.
It's a serious problem, and it has led to the *American* FAA
grounding
all the planes. While ice in the pitot tubes is suspected of producing
the faulty airspeed readings, the main cause of the crash of the Air
France A330 was pilot error.


That was the same ruling for the A310 Hapag-Lloyd Flight 3378 crash in
Vienna (back on July 12, 2000). Its like it just ran out of fuel and
fell out of the sky or something.


No, that's not what happened at all. It had an unretracted landing gear
that caused it to burn fuel faster than expected. The crew used a
flight management system that estimated how far they could go on the
remaining fuel, but that system did not take into account theeffect of
increased drag, so they ran out even earlier than anticipated and had to
glide the aircraft toward an airport, which they didn't reach by 500 meters.

Get your facts straight next time.


So how is all that NOT pilot error huh, smartalek ?


It *was* mainly pilot error, you stupid drooling fat ****. By saying
"Its [sic] like it just ran out of fuel and fell out of the sky or
something", you suggested it was something else.

It was only partly pilot error. They relied on a "Flight Management
System" tool to estimate fuel consumption, but the program didn't take
drag into account and so gave an invalid figure.