C J Campbell wrote in
news:2007102120113877923-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2007-10-21 19:34:52 -0600, Bertie the Bunyip said:

C J Campbell wrote in
news:2007102118540175249-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

On 2007-10-21 03:36:30 -0600, Bertie the Bunyip said:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote in news:KqwSi.413$2n4.20122
@news1.epix.net:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
C J Campbell wrote in
news:200710181833568930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom:

The only people who have held that water-boarding is torture
is
anti-war extremists.

People who are anti war are extremeists?
That isn't even close to what he wrote.



I cut and paste it...


So it's exactly what he wrote.


Bertie


He didn't say that people who are anti-war are extremists. He
said
that people that hold a certain view are anti-war extremists.
Huge
difference.


Has he no tongue?


Bertie

Unlike you, I actually have a life outside of Usenet.

I have only your word for that, of course.

We have been
traveling the last few days. For me, posting on Usenet is a very
low
priority.



M, kay.


I did not say that all people who oppose the war are extremists. I
said
that some people who oppose the war are extremists. Some people who
support the war are extremists.

Personally, I favor peace and, as far as the war in Iraq goes, do
not
have a strong view either way. It will not be the deciding issue for
me
in the coming election.

I am pro-business and, to be frank, the Republicans have been doing
a
poor job lately of protecting their title as the party of business.

Ya think?

You really have to consider how much it would take to alienate Alan
Greenspan, but they managed it.



Yep, I have an almost begrudging admiration for them for that.



The
party seems to have been taken over by tax-and-spend Republicans and
populist social special interests which I find distracting. I have
difficulty supporting a party that promotes scientific ignorance,
for
example.


Good for you. And here I was thinking you were all on the back side
of
the bell curve.

Well, ya's did vote for bush,. can you blame me?

Yeah, I can as a matter of fact. My views should be well known by now.
Too many people want to pigeonhole people such as me with the
Religious
Right, forgetting that the Religious Right historically has tried to
exterminate Mormons and shows every sign of being willing to try it
again. Mitt Romney might be a Mormon, but so is Harry Reid. Who is to
say which one better represents our values?


Wow, you not only read between the lines, you insert entire volumes
between them.


The trouble is, the Democrats are misreading the whole thing and
reverting to form. They think that disaffection with the Republicans
means an acceptance of traditional Democratic values: pro-labor, big
government, high taxes, etc., plus the Democrats have their own
lunatic
fringe with its own special social interests.

If they think they are going to pick up a lot of disaffected
Republicans with an anti-business agenda while remaining soft on crime
and foreign policy they are grossly mistaken. Plus, business people do
not trust the rampant corruption in the Democratic party and the
absolute refusal of the party to police its own people.

One might support libertarianism, but the Libertarian party is
anything
but libertarian. Besides, the libertarians that remain among the
Republicans are too often gold bugs who cannot admit that Ayn Rand
might have been wrong about a few things -- gold, for example.

So, I do not see anyone being particularly pro-business right now.
Every candidate seems hung up either on the war in Iraq or on abortion
or building a fence on the border, none of which is critical to
financial growth. Every one of them has expressed trade protectionist
views which range from disturbing to downright alarming. Whatever
happened to "Free trade and free men!" which was the historical battle
cry of the GOP? Who carries that banner today?



You need a new guy. One who will truly represent your values and lead
you on to a better and brighter republican future in the tradition of
Ronald Reagan.


Too bad foster Brooks is gone.

Bertie