Thread: UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
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Old January 14th 06, 04:47 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.piloting
Larry Dighera
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Default UAV's and TFR's along the Mexico boarder
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:16:13 -0800, Richard Riley
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:45:58 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

:On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:52:21 -0800, Richard Riley
wrote in
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:Is the equipment specification in that Request For Proposal a result
f necessity to accomplish the mission of securing the nation's
:boarders, or was the specification established to conform to
re-existing UAV equipment? (are you able to provide a URL for the
:RFP?)

Search for hsbp1005r0425


These two references were all I found:



http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2005...O-00833130.htm
FBO DAILY ISSUE OF JUNE 23, 2005 FBO #1305
SOLICITATION NOTICE

15 -- Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV)
Notice Date
6/21/2005

Notice Type
Solicitation Notice

NAICS
541330 — Engineering Services

Contracting Office
DHS - Border and Transportation Security, Customs and Border
Protection, Office of Procurement, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
Room 1310 NP, Washington, DC, 20229

ZIP Code
20229

Solicitation Number
HSBP1005R0425

Response Due
7/19/2005

Archive Date
8/3/2005

Description
Please Note that this Announcement is issued in order to upload
Solicitation HSBP1005R0425 into FebBizOpps and is not a notice of
a new requirement. It is the resulting solicitation that was
announced earlier as Reference Number 5-10-2005-UAV-FY05 SUBJECT:
PRESOLICITATION NOTICE - Department of Homeland Security Unmanned
Aerial Vehicle (UAV). GENERAL INFORMATION: The Department of
Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of
Border Patrol intends to issue a Request for Proposal (RFP) to
procure an operating UAV system(s) (UAV airframe(s) and sensors,
Ground Control Stations (GCSs), Sensor Control Terminals (SCTs)
and Remote Viewing Terminals (RVTs)). CBP is seeking sources that
can provide a medium altitude long endurance UAV system(s),
support equipment, air vehicle and sensor operators, maintenance
personnel and systems integration support. Initial operations are
intended to be conducted on the Southern Border of the United
States. CBP intends to commence UAV operations 30 days after
contract award. CBP anticipates conducting operations during 4th
Quarter FY 05. Operations and maintenance support shall be
month-to-month for a minimum of 224 hours per month, with the
potential for increased flying hours each month, above the
minimum. For this effort an Indefinite Delivery, Indefinite
Quantity type contract for engineering services, Time and Material
for operations and maintenance support, and Firm Fixed Price (FFP)
pricing arrangements for UAV systems is anticipated. The
Government anticipates a single-award contract pursuant to the
criteria in the RFP. This will be a Full and Open Competition. It
is anticipated that the solicitation will be issued on or about
May 26, 2005. Note: The reference number used to identify this
pre-solicitation notice is not the solicitation number. When the
solicitation for this requirement is posted a DHS solicitation
number with the appropriate nomenclature will be used. POINT OF
CONTACT: U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Office of
Procurement, Suite 1310, ATTN: Sharon Lim, 1300 Pennsylvania Ave.,
NW, Washington, D.C. 20229. All questions and comments should be
in writing and should be directed to the Contracting Officer,
Sharon Lim, via email. The contact information for the contracting
officer is as follows: Telephone (202) 344-1112, Fax (202)
344-1190 or Email: .

Place of Performance
Address: Southern Border of the United States

Record
SN00833130-W 20050623/050621211521 (fbodaily.com)

Source
FedBizOpps.gov Link to This Notice
(may not be valid after Archive Date)




http://www.fbodaily.com/archive/2005...O-00834206.htm

FBO DAILY ISSUE OF JUNE 24, 2005 FBO #1306
MODIFICATION

15 -- Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV)
Notice Date
6/22/2005

Notice Type
Modification

NAICS
336411 — Aircraft Manufacturing

Contracting Office
DHS - Border and Transportation Security, Customs and Border
Protection, Office of Procurement, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.,
Room 1310 NP, Washington, DC, 20229

ZIP Code
20229

Solicitation Number
Reference-Number-5-10-2005-UAV-FY05

Response Due
7/19/2005

Archive Date
8/3/2005

Description
PLEASE NOTE: INFORMATION RELATING TO THIS REQUIREMENT IS NOW
AVAILABLE UNDER SOLICITATION REFERENCE NUMBER: HSBP1005R0425 WHICH
WAS POSTED 6/21/2005 SUBJECT: PRESOLICITATION NOTICE - Department
of Homeland Security Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV). GENERAL
INFORMATION: The Department of Homeland Security, Customs and
Border Protection (CBP) Office of Border Patrol intends to issue a
Request for Proposal (RFP) to procure an operating UAV system(s)
(UAV airframe(s) and sensors, Ground Control Stations (GCSs),
Sensor Control Terminals (SCTs) and Remote Viewing Terminals
(RVTs)). CBP is seeking sources that can provide a medium altitude
long endurance UAV system(s), support equipment, air vehicle and
sensor operators, maintenance personnel and systems integration
support. Initial operations are intended to be conducted on the
Southern Border of the United States. CBP intends to commence UAV
operations 30 days after contract award. CBP anticipates
conducting operations during 4th Quarter FY 05. Operations and
maintenance support shall be month-to-month for a minimum of 224
hours per month, with the potential for increased flying hours
each month, above the minimum. For this effort an Indefinite
Delivery, Indefinite Quantity type contract for engineering
services, Time and Material for operations and maintenance
support, and Firm Fixed Price (FFP) pricing arrangements for UAV
systems is anticipated. The Government anticipates a single-award
contract pursuant to the criteria in the RFP. This will be a Full
and Open Competition. It is anticipated that the solicitation will
be issued on or about May 26, 2005. Note: The reference number
used to identify this pre-solicitation notice is not the
solicitation number. When the solicitation for this requirement is
posted a DHS solicitation number with the appropriate nomenclature
will be used. POINT OF CONTACT: U.S. Customs and Border
Protection, Office of Procurement, Suite 1310, ATTN: Sharon Lim,
1300 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, Washington, D.C. 20229. All questions
and comments should be in writing and should be directed to the
Contracting Officer, Sharon Lim, via email. The contact
information for the contracting officer is as follows: Telephone
(202) 344-1112, Fax (202) 344-1190 or Email: .

Record
SN00834206-W 20050624/050622211524 (fbodaily.com)

Source
FedBizOpps.gov Link to This Notice
(may not be valid after Archive Date)


And then there's the irony of this: http://uvscanada.org/blog/?p=13 .
Imagine an American neighboring country looking at US border patrol
equipment.


None of the manufacturers were able to provide a UAV that met all
their specs, so the specs were NOT written to match existing hardware.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to locate those specifications on-line.
Are you able to provide a URL for them?

Predator B won, they came the closest.


From the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc web-site:

http://www.uav.com/products/predator_b.html
The Predator B aircraft was developed in 2000 with first flight
commencing in February 2001. Powered by a turboprop engine, the
Predator B series was designed as a long-endurance, high-altitude
unmanned aircraft for use as a multi-mission system by a variety
of customers. From reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, and
weapons delivery to scientific research and other civilian
applications, Predator B has the capacity to conduct multiple
missions simultaneously due to its large internal and external
payload capacity.


PREDATOR B
Military Multi-Mission ISR
Wingspan: 66 ft (20.1168m)
Fuselage: 36 ft (10.9728m)
Weight: 10,000 lb (4536 kg)
Altitude: 50,000 ft
Endurance: 30+ hr
Payload: Internal - 800 lb (363 kg)
External - 3,000 lb (1361 kg)
Powerplant: Honeywell TPE 331-10T
Air Speed: Over 220 kn
Customer: U.S. Air Force


ALTAIR
High-Altitude
Scientific Research
Wingspan: 86 ft (26.2128m)
Fuselage: 36 ft (10.9728m)
Weight: 7,000 lb (3175 kg)
Altitude: 52,000 ft
Endurance: 30+ hr
Payload: Internal - 660 lb (300 kg)
External - 3,000 lb (1361 kg)
Powerplant: Honeywell TPE 331-10T
Air Speed: TBA
Customer: NASA


MARINER
Long-Endurance
Border & Maritime Surveillance
Wingspan: 86 ft (26.2128m)
Fuselage: 36 ft (10.9728m)
Weight: 10,500 lb (4763 kg)
Altitude: 52,000 ft
Endurance: 49+ hr
Payload: Internal - 800 lb (363 kg)
External - 3,000 lb (1361 kg)
Powerplant: Honeywell TPE 331-10T
Air Speed: Over 220 kn
Customer: U.S. Navy, Dept of Homeland Security


More information he
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/predator/


Other proposals were less
expensive, and one (at least) took a very creative approach to provide
the same capabilities using smaller vehicles at lower cost, but it
didn't quite conform to the requirements.

It sure would be interesting to see those requirements (and the
proposals).

I don't agree with your basic assumptions, but since I work in the
field I won't engage you debate.

I respect your decision, but what better debate is there but that
between two people with differing viewpoints? You shouldn't have
anything to fear (from your government nor employer). If the decision
to employ UAVs for border patrol can't stand open public debate,
perhaps there is something suspect about it.