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Old May 19th 12, 01:44 PM
Walt Connelly Walt Connelly is offline
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Originally Posted by Brad[_2_] View Post
On May 18, 2:44*pm, Walt Connelly Walt.Connelly.
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'Fox Two[_2_ Wrote:









;814862']Hello all. *I've been away from RAS for a few years, but after
browsing, this looks like a great thread to become reacquainted. *As a
non-current but experienced CFI in the USA, and now an ex-pat living in
France with my Discus2 soaring in the Alps, I have a uniquely pertinent
perspective!


I'm going to back-up Kirk "66" and agree with him that the American
SYSTEM of instruction is flawed, but not the instructors themselves. *To
clarify, the typical American club 'instructs' to solo, and then
'brushes-up' to the check ride. *This meets the requirements of FAR part
61 for either Private or Commercial Pilot Standards. *I have never met a
recently-certified American Private Pilot-Glider that can explain to me
what a glider polar is, beyond what the two axes on the graph represent..
If a particular pilot has the personal desire to further their
knowledge or range, it is more or less up to them. *To clarify, I
purposefully used the word TYPICAL in my description of American clubs;
of course there are exceptions.


By contrast, here in France, instruction continues to what they call the
"Brevet F," what we in the USA call the Diamond Badge. *Yes, you read
correctly: *it is EXPECTED of pilots to continue training through to the
Diamond Badge!


My club in Fayence, which is typical of clubs in France, is different
from its American counterparts in many ways. *First, we have mandatory
briefings every morning. *If you want to fly today, you'll be at the
briefing at 9am.. *Gliders are assigned at the briefing, and it will be
yours to fly all day. *This is a bigger deal than it appears. *American
clubs typically limit time in a club glider to an hour or two, so that
other pilots may fly it too. *The problem is that this practice
completely discourages cross-country flight.


Each flight intentionally flown beyond gliding range of the home field
must be pre-approved by the Chief Instructor. *Instructors flying
cross-country check-up on cross-country pilots via position/status
reports, and offer updates on changing conditions. *If a pilot is doing
something that the instructor deems ‘unwise,’ instructions
are given, and occasionally an instructor will abandon their task,
divert to the inexperienced pilot’s location, and then guide them
back to safer pastures.


Which glider you're allowed to fly is dependent on how much training
you've had. *If you want to fly the Pegase or LS4, you'll need to have
the equivalent of a Silver Badge, and have done it in the mountains, in
a Ka6, and then have been instructed in the ASK21. *Want to fly the
ASW20? *That's only after you've flown 100kms in the Standard Class, and
have been instructed in the JanusC. *Beyond getting trained in the
gliders’ differences, you’re getting trained in glider
performance. *French pilots know glider polars, and they know how to
apply that knowledge.


Here at Fayence, to be approved to fly a task greater than 200kms,
you're required to have attended a week-long encampment at
Barcelonnette, an extreme Alpine Airfield. *Everything here is
exaggerated: from the figure-8-turn-tow in gusty mountain breezes in a
narrow Alpine valley, to the unnerving initial thermal that has you
sharing cliff-side thermals with several other gliders. *The most
important item on the training agenda though is at the end of each day:
the landing. *Strong breezes with mountain rotors make every approach
critical, and not making the short runway simply isn't an option. *If
you can make it through the week at Barcelonnette, you're ready for your
300km task.


After your Gold Badge, you're considered trained and qualified. *You're
now good to take the DuoDiscus beyond local with your friends. *After
you have your Diamond Badge you're invited to sign up for the ASH25.


To summarize, it isn't the American instructors that are at fault, it's
the training culture. *New pilots need to be sheparded long after the
initial solo, and it is here that American training is grossly
inadequate.


It's great to see some familiar names here at RAS! *As we say here in
France:


A bient�t!
Chris Fleming
'F2' (no, the other Fox Two!)


Always good to know how the French do things......what's next? *Telling
us to go to England to get our teeth fixed? *Once again American Culture
taking it on the chin.

Walt
A lowly American glider pilot sheep looking for a shepherd.

--
Walt Connelly


I dunno.............do they have pundits telling them all their about
"stupid pilot tricks" too?

Brad
The bottom line is that accidents are ubiquitous and happen irrespective of ones nationality, culture or for that matter, level of experience and training. I remember reading about a number of accidents recently which happened to highly experience pilots including CFIG's and Examiners. I applaud the French Club method but at the same time I am sure that there are well run, safe and effective clubs here in the US of A. I would not doubt that there are shoddy clubs in France and elsewhere.

A club is no better nor any worse than the club members and their adherence to safety principles and common sense. I fly at a commercial operation but I see advantages that clubs enjoy including a requirement for members to work the flight line, hooking up, checking the pattern, running wings. There are times at a commercial operation when one must hope that there are others around to do the ancillary things required for launch. Involvement is the key, a willingness to open ones mouth when unsafe practices happen.

Regarding 2nd-guessing accidents, the original though of this posting, I have no problem with this. All too often accidents occur, the FAA investigates, months to years later a report is published and how often do those reports accurately reflect what happened? Of the handful of incidents, both powered and gliders which I have either observed first hand or heard about from a first hand observer, rarely does the FAA get it right. So what can we learn from information like this? Very little. It is imperative that we all learn as much as possible from the mistakes of others in an attempt to reduce the chances of those mistakes happening to ourselves. Most accidents have multiple potential causes and to think about those things, to have an action plan in our minds to avoid as many such circumstances as possible is a good thing.

Walt
( I wish I was soaring right now)