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"Morgans" wrote:

"Alan Baker" wrote

You can think whatever you like, but if it can maintain airspeed and
altitude...

...that seems like flight to me.

Alan;

I gotta' ask; what dog do you have in this fight?

Why do you argue your point so strongly, to the point of putting down people
that have an opinion that differs from yours?

What put downs have I made?

I find it annoying when people just make pronouncements on subjects they
haven't even bother to investigate.


This seems to be very much a discussion of opinion on a subject

And I gave mine in response to TonyW. I didn't put him down, I simply
pointed out a fact.


You opining one point of view holds no more weight than Lamb or someone else
spouting their opinion, to me. It isn't as if this is an open and shut
case. They did not make a flight with the basic definition of taking off,
maintaining flight, and returning to a place with the same elevation. Even
early definitions of powered flight with the Wright Brothers had some or all
of these basic definitions.

I'm doing rather more than giving my opinion. I'm presenting supporting
evidence.


Yes, they seem to have flown by human power, but only with help to start
the flight.

The flapping shown is a type that I have never seen a bird use. All of the
birds have their wings hinged where they attach to their bodies and these
hinges allow the wing to pivot up and down to initiate flight, and they
usually have a joint out further on their wing that also hinges for
additional power and control... but this man powered creation has none of
those characteristics.

What has that got to with whether or not the flight is powered by the
flapping of the wings? Are you really saying that the definition of
"flapping" hinges (if you'll pardon the pun) on the existence of joints?
Does it have to actually be a joint where two separate structures meet
and surfaces slide over one another?


Seems to me that this whole thing was supposed to be imitating nature's
animals methods of flying. That, it does not do, in my opinion. Seems like
it is a way to "cheat" the imitation of flapping creature's flying
methodology.

The thrust and lift both come from the wings.


Please note that this has been expressed as my opinion, and I did not put
anyone else "down" as I presented it, as all civil discussions should strive
to do.

I think if you see a put down in my previous post, you're way too
thin-skinned...

....or is that a put down, too?

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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