On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:28:05 -0800, Paul B wrote:

On Sunday, 21 February 2021 at 11:10:09 pm UTC+10, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Paul B wrote on 2/20/2021 9:18 PM:
"About 8000 people die every day. In a population of 56 million
people (the number vaccinated so far), primarily over 65 and a large
number that have comorbidities, there will be quite a few that die
within a few days or weeks of the vaccination."

Fully agree, however the same logic was not applied to covid-19, I
wonder why?

Cheers

Paul



On Sunday, 21 February 2021 at 2:50:15 pm UTC+10, Eric Greenwell
wrote:
Gregg Ballou wrote on 2/19/2021 5:30 AM:
The Vaers data is out there for those that care to look beyond the
fake news.
"We all know that the rooster crows before the dawn, but we don’t
think the rooster makes the sun come up, simply because they are
related in time".

About 8000 people die every day. In a population of 56 million
people (the number vaccinated so far), primarily over 65 and a large
number that have comorbidities, there will be quite a few that die
within a few days or weeks of the vaccination.

Don't blame the rooster for the sunrise - get vaccinated so we can
continue to argue about purity and motorgliders :^)
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "logic was not applied to
Covid-19". But, Covid caused so many deaths, it altered the normal
death rate enough to be be noticed; ie, "excess deaths", especially in
the retirement and nursing homes in the beginning. People that believe
normal deaths are being misreported as Covid cases are ignoring these
excess deaths, and also the fact that hospitals are being overwhelmed
by Covid deaths, not the usual causes.
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I am not disputing that the fact Covid-19 may caused death of some and
hasten an impeding death of others.

My point was simply that different criteria are being used when when
ascribing causality. As an example, if someone dies at 90 and may have
had covid-19, it is counted as a covid-19 death without qualification.
If the same person died following an Covid-19 injection, suddenly, the
age and potential comorbidities are taken into account.
I am not an antivaxxer I have had all the shots, as did my children. I
even partake in the flu shot. However none of these vaccines were
developed at this speed and had so little testing. You simply cannot do
a multi year longitudinal study in ten months. So clearly in terms of
testing, corners were cut.

You mention the excess deaths, and I am looking at these numbers also,
as I feel that those numbers should be least able to be manipulated.
However the picture is not that clear. For one, it will probably be a
number of years before the true numbers are in and potentially longer to
examine the exces deaths that happened in subsequent years because of
the reaction to covid-19, not because of it.

Finally, the immediate projection of excess death from the CDC website
is also problematic. The US had a near linear increase in the number of
deaths per 1000 over the last 5 years. Yet the CDC chose to average the
the number of deaths over the last 5 years and then add some 100000 to
that number for "slow reporting". If they chose to extrapolate the
likely deaths, you would have an entirely different numbers of excess
death. The results and methodology is on CDC website.

Different statisticians use different criteria is all.

IIRC in the US, if the death certificate lists COVID at all, then its
counted as a COVID death.

In the UK the death is counted as due to COVID if the deceased tested
positive for COVID within the last 28 days. This looks a little more
specific to me, a non-statician, but still not a cast-iron guarantee that
the death was in fact due to COVID: IOW its not clear whether somebody
who'd tested positive but symptomless and got splatted by a drunk driver
a week later would be included in the COVID death count. You'd think
they's be counted as a road death but one never knows...

Bottom line: national statistics are what your Office Of National
Statistics thinks are right. For everything.


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