"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:19:25 -0700, Chris Schmelzer
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Larry Dighera wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:13:11 -0500, Ronald Gardner
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I suspect gear and flaps down speed of a F15 to be around 110 or 120
knots.

Unfortunately, that doesn't prevent F-15s from endangering the public
by exceeding the 250 knot speed limit below 10,000'.


Umm, military has never been restricted to the 250knot speed.

There has been an exemption for military aircraft for some time.

You really think they are 'endangering the public' when they do this?

I believe it is impossible to see fighter aircraft in time to avoid
them, so being a member of the public, I believe I'm endangered by
their high speed below 10,000'.


Maybe you shouldn't be flying then. Most military fighter aircraft are
several times larger than GA aircraft. Fighter pilots train to pick up
tally's on other fighters out to 10 miles and beyond. Try that with a GA
sized aircraft. That's at closure rates of two supersonic aircraft which
will be around 1000+kts Vc. Our training rules state that pure pursuit must
be ceased by 9000' in order to avoid busting a 500' safety bubble during a
head on attack.

My point is, spend less time looking at your artificial horizon and more
time looking at the window and you'd be suprised on how far away you can see
the larger airplanes.

I'm much more concerned about hitting a C-152 than I am about an F-15
because it's small size.

Next point. Their "high speed below 10,000'" is limited to 300kts. A
whopping 50kts faster than FAA regs. That actually reduces the risk of
collision because in the event that a fighter does not see you till late,
his jet has the energy availble to manauever agressively enough to avoid a
collision. At 250kts and slower a fighter actually takes longer to get out
of your way and increases the risk of a collision.

They are not out there screaming around at 500kts below 10k just for the
heck of it.

The only place fighters are allowed above 300kts below 10,000' is in special
use airspace. (VR/IR low levels, MOAs, restricted airspace, etc)


Do you think they don't know where YOUR aircraft is long before you see
them?

Yes. That is exactly what I think. Not only that, I believe that
there are military fighter pilots who don't care where my aircraft is
either.


You don't have a clue pal.

1) While most fighter pilots have a very good radar which has alot of great
capability, it doesn't always mean your aircraft is within it's scan.
Nothing is perfect. While he may have SA on your position 95% of the time,
he is still responsible for VFR rules and must see and avoid like everyone
else.

2) The last thing any pilot wants to do is have a mid-air. It will ruin his
day just as much as it will ruin yours.