"Ken S. Tucker" writes:

On Mar 19, 3:37 am, "Keith Willshaw"
wrote:
"Alexander" wrote in message

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Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message
, Ken
S. Tucker writes
On Mar 18, 12:36 am, "William Black"
wrote:
Aren't we forgetting someone?
This being a naval group and all...

The RN was pretty much useless, recall Pearl Harbor,

Ships sunk in port on a Sunday. Relates to ships at night, mixed in with
your invasion force, how?
suppose the
Nazi's
float a bunch of cheap boats, the RN responds and the Luftwaff
would've put
a lot of iron in the channel.

At night?

The Luftwaffe was pretty poor at sinking ships in 1940.

Stukas did a very credible job.

They got four of
forty destroyers at Dunkirk over days, when they were stopped to take on
troops: here they have to sink forty destroyers very fast, at night,
while they're making thirty knots.

I would more attribute that to your air cover. Ships then as now were
sitting ducks. Or did you forget massive air battles at the Coral Sea,
Wake Island, Midway Island etc. Japanese aircraft did a real job at Pearl
harbor on both anchored ships and fast moving destroyers in the outer
harbor at Pearl Harbor.

List of fast moving destroyers sunk at Pearl Harbor

Start of List
End of List

The 3 destroyers 'sunk' at Pearl Harbor were all in dry dock at the
time and were repaired and returned to service.

The only destroyer on patrol damaged was the USS Helm. The
bombs aimed at her missed but some damage was done by
strafing. It was minor and she stayed on patrol joining the escort
group of the USS Saratoga.
Keith

I read that Brit's used biplanes carrying torpedoes to get Bismarck,
Brits practically invented torpedoing ships from air.
Nazi torps were likely better than the Brits torps any brit stuff in
the
channel would be luftwaffe fodder, japs proved that.

duh! Do you have an F- in logic? :-) The Japanese proved that a
well-trained force could do what they did. Fact. And general
theory. Something others had to learn how to copy. The Germans sure did
not know how to. How about the Japs could overrun American positions
with their heavy tanks, the Germans proved that.

The notion of using expensive a/c (bombers, spits, whatever) to sink
a channel barge(s) in light of Luftwaffe air superiority is near
suicidal.

Strafing alone would be near good enough. No AA defences except the odd
rifle that I daresay would be somewhere within 2 degrees of arc of the
target some of the time.

Consider the tactics, low flying strafing a cheap barge that could be
empty, and getting pounced by Me-109's.
Kiss the RAF good-bye.

Spits up high, Hurries down low.