"B" wrote in message
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The pilot is responsible for the AIM.

The pilot is responsible for the FARs:

"(j) Limitation on procedure turns. In the case of a radar vector to a final
approach course or fix, a timed approach from a holding fix, or an approach
for which the procedure specifies "No PT," no pilot may make a procedure
turn unless cleared to do so by ATC."

The FARs do not establish any limitation on PTs relevant to the case under
discussion.


This stuff was circulated to industry representatives, and represented by
the air traffic folks to be a substitute for "vectors to final."


Somebody forgot to inform pilots. The AIM does not state an equivalence
between VTF and vectors to IF so that the FAR limitations would be
applicable.