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Old June 20th 04, 02:35 PM
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"WalterM140" wrote in message
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No proof of that for the Germans at all: they complied strictly

with
the Geneva Convention. Over 95% of American POWs of the Germans
survived the war.


There was just recently on the History Channel a story about the

101st airborne
in Normandy. The Germans murdered 32 wounded paratroopers in cold

blood along
with a number of French civilians, including two priests.

The Germans also murdered after torture, @ six of the "Cockelshell"

crews that
wrecked several merchant ships by using Limpet mines. They were all

in uniform
and engaged on legitimate military operations.


British Commandos themseves did not take prisoners and were found with
orders not to do so as this presumably might imperil their mission.
This was the basis of Hitlers commando Order. Depite being in a
uniform I do not think that men who themselves never take prisoners
and kill those trying to surrender to them have an automatic right to
protection under the convention?

I do not know of the Cockshell crews opperated as Commandos but this
may the the basis of the executions. I have been unable to find any
details of the raids on the internet. Only something about a
novell/movie called the Cockellshell heroes.

On the whole the Germans stuck to the conventions and prosecuted those
German officers who broke them. The same can not always be said for
the Americans.


The commander of 12th SS PzDiv had 20 Canadian prisoners murdered in

cold blood
also.


Then he was a war criminal and would have been court martialed. I
presume he had expedient reasons such as no facilities such as no
abillity to transport them.

I am somewhat cynical of these claims, initialy, as they may be a beat
up like the Malmedy massacre and so many other crimes that turn out
to be mainly either escape attemps, accidents and mistakes.

Even this pro US piece reveals serious anomalies:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau...assacre02.html

(Note the Malmedy 'massacre' confessions was obtained by severe
torture of the German POWs it was only the intervention of Taligunner
Jo McCarthy that assured justice. One German officer commited
suicide rather than "confess" against his collegues.)

In fact one should ALWAYS be extremely cyncial of 'war crimes' or
'massacres' they are often agitation porpaganda. In the first world
war in order to get the British (and Americans) into WW1 British
intelligence claimed that German troops were throwing Belgium babies
in the air and impaling them on bayonets, turning bodies into soap and
raping whole villages of women at a time. They even appologised after
the war for this!

These stories, like the baby incubator scandal, serve to promote war
agitation and they also excuse ones own people from their own
barabarity.

They always precede war and seem to excuse ones own attrocities.

War crimes should always be prosecuted but so should those who invent
war crimes. The consequences are just as severe.


The Germans did not -strictly- go by the GC, although they

generally did
against the Western Allies.


The Soviets were not signatories to the Geneva Convention: they were
already too busy murdering for their 'crimes' Latvians, Lethuanians,
Ukranians etc in real death camps the really were intended to murder
people to consider it worthwhile signing up to a treaty like that.



Walt