Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

Don;'t like paying beaurocrats? Go support someone who's doing
something. But a proiduct that's moving things the right way..
Even leaving aside the ecological aspects of continued use of IC engines
, the saddest part is after 130 years they haven't improved much at all.
I love old engines. i've owned a bbunch of real old machines ( including
a coule of 19th century cars) and their efficiency isnt significantly
worse than what;s out there today ( though they were a bit draftier)
Bertie

You owned a couple of 19th century cars?

Were they made in Europe?

http://cleveland.about.com/od/clevel...crawford_2.htm