On Apr 26, 8:26 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
"kangarooistan /peramangk" wrote in news:8840b0b2-
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On Apr 26, 12:07 pm, clint wrote:
they poop everywhere no way!
kangarooistan /peramangk brought next idea :

I was wondering if it may be possible to set up a weekly flight with
several hundred live camels , av 500 kg each, standing 3 meters
tall , , from outback Australia , into Egypt , Pakistan . or such
countries

OK , lets try a bit more specific question

If you wanted to fly regular loads of live camels to the middle east

Which type of air plane would you look at and where wold you start
looking and how much would you expect to pay for a good quality LARGE
work horse type plane with no frills , but reliable ,

There are lots of freighter companies set up to fly racehorses and other
livestock around. They're typically old DC8s but there are a few 747s set
up for it. The middle east is a fertile ground for this activity as the
arabs are into racehorses big time so it should be pretty easy to find a
carier who would be able to accomodate you. Best place to ask is a
thoroughbred horse breeder.

Bert

Hi Bert

Thanks for the start , I googled dc8 horse transport and found pretty
much what I was after

Im not into planes and was a bit lost where to start

I think I can google it form here

MANY thanks mate

kanga
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lots of quality info , I will do a bit of further reading
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The international horse breeding industry began to be enhanced by
access to air transport services when regular horse carrying flights
between Ireland, England and France were initiated in the early
1950’s. Bristol Freighter aircraft were used for this service. Their
front loading facility made it easier to load than other contemporary
aircraft, but they were felt to be noisy and slow by the personnel
that travelled with the horses. The volume of traffic was sufficient
to justify staff dedicated to providing horse care from departure to
destination, familiar with the environments and requirements at
airports and at altitude. They became known as “Flying Grooms”. Their
numbers have grown from a handful, to the stage at which there are
international efforts to recognise their chosen profession by
accreditation and certification.

The “jet age” arrived with the first carriage of horses in a Boeing
707 in the early 1960’S. Stalls were built around the horses after
they had walked up a ramp into the aircraft. These were so called
“open stall systems”, which although they surrounded the horses, they
did not fully enclose them. In 1968, the first widely noted tragedy
occurred, when an Elizabethan aircraft with three crew, five grooms
and eight horses on board, crashed on landing at London’s Heathrow
airport. All of the crew, all of the horses and three of the grooms,
died. The accident was attributed to metal fatigue.

Fast and efficient, regular air services from Europe to the USA, Japan
and Australia became commonplace in the 1970’s, using the then “state-
of-the-art” Boeing 707 and DC8 aircraft. Palletised freight systems in
which three-horse stalls with a groom’s compartment, were loaded with
horses on the ground and then lifted onto the aircraft led to faster
loading and unloading. Thirty horses could now be loaded onto an
aircraft in an hour. Later, 112 horses could be carried in a Boeing
747 when these and other, so called “wide bodied” jets became
available for horse charter flights in the 1980’s. Improved access to
scheduled services also took place and three horses and a groom could
from then onwards, travel almost anywhere in the world in fully or
partially enclosed “air stables’ or “jet stalls”.

A modified “insect-proof” stall was used to transport Vintage Crop
from Ireland to Australia , prior to his victory in the Melbourne Cup.