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Old April 18th 19, 04:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Default Undershoot Vs. Overshoot airport landing accidents

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 10:47:26 AM UTC-4, Tim Taylor wrote:
Please don't teach the dive to lose altitude technique. The problem is total energy, simply the kinetic plus potential energy. Most pilots are trained with judgment on altitude (potential energy) but have poor judgment how speed (kinetic energy) will impact touch down point and speed. Our brains are much better at doing estimates with constant speed. Yes, it is a neat trick to dive at the ground but has a higher probably for error than simpler techniques. See the article in soaring about the pilot that flew off the end of the runway. If you are really high, 500 to 1000 feet agl, the glider polar works both ways around the best l/d, rather than speeding up it is better to slow down and use full spoilers and a slip. I have modeled both techniques and the achieved l/d over the ground is just as low with the slower technique and there is no speed to scrub once you are back in correct height band for the approach. If you are really high, slow down to near stall speed, use full spoilers and slip. As you get lower (about 400 feet agl) accelerate to normal approach speed for the conditions.

Even better is to teach students to be flexible and not get fixated on completing a traditional pattern, S-turns or a 360 if a pilot is really too high are better options.


No 360s please. That has disaster written all over it.

Kai Gersten introduced me to the "reversed base leg" approach years ago. This works great, it's easy to fly, easy to teach and the technique is the same in any glider. You extend the (too high) base leg past the runway centerline some appropriate distance, make a 180 (turn towards the runway), make a second base leg from the other side of the runway.

I've experimented with S-turns (after reading George Moffatt). They work well. I was able to turn a much too high approach into a spot landing twice in two tries. Glider folk on the ground won't enjoy this, they'll think something is wrong.

best,
Evan Ludeman / T8