On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:40:41 +0100, "Chris Kurz" ckurz @ nospam .
bnet . at wrote:

Made many trips across the channel in a 172 taking off from CRQ. I'd usually
opt for 6500. Not so much for safety reasons but I liked the view better
higher up.

I don't have a chart in front of me, but doesn't that permit you to
reach the coast directly without entering KLAX Class B nor KSNA Class
C?