Bob Officer wrote in
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:51:48 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

Bob Officer wrote in
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

Bob Officer wrote in
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
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Government Shill #2 wrote:

George wrote:

I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin?
From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all
my
instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY
THE
AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a
(somewhat)
straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused,
alarmed,
to fly/glide the airplane?

ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the
Electra
crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and
the
asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be
corrected
by
the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long
time
ago that I read about it.

Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was
just
above stall speed.


It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been
just
above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0

A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra
struck
a
flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in
engine
no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop
feathered.
Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a
substantial
momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the
left
and
decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose
pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost
vertically into the water.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss
and
recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in
loss
of airspeed and control during takeoff. "


Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl
have
been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no
thrust
to
spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just
like
Concorde..

No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take
offs
and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss
passengers
and crew is a good thing.



At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who
would
try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers.
We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid
disposition, they had best look away now. We call them..

Management pilots.

We have those too on the railroad.

They are generally called Accountants.

At least they don;'t pretend to be engineers!

They try...

but generally get ignored.

There is at least, some justice in this ol world.


Bertie