Abc wrote in :

Clem wrote in
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Lee wrote in
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Clem wrote in
. 97.136:

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Clem, you're a little late to the dance, and you're not
hearing the music correctly... Oy Vey.




I heard the music just fine. A bunch of idiots who can't
get past a JPG, do nothing but cry when presented with a
different format. Boo ****ing hoo! Update the outdated
software or quit bitching that you can't decode the files
or don't want them posted at all.

As far as not seeing all the files post to a server or a
file falling into oblivion, learn how a news server system
works and you'll learn why the problems happen.

The way some out here talk, you would think that gif's/jpg's
get through 100% of the time and all other formats don't.
That's simply not true.

First and foremost, understand what a binary file is.

Binary files can contain images, sounds, compressed versions
of other files, etc. in short, any type of file content whatsoever.

J3 has every right to post any type of picture file he wants.

When you have a group named alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
you provide an open door for any format to be posted.

If you want a limited type of format, then start a group called
alt.snaphotpictures.aviation. or alt.pictures.aviation. I can't
find either one in my lists.

This is not the good old boys club or a membership only group.
It's an open public system and you have to expect and allow for
posts other than a simple picture file.

We've come a long way since z-modem 2400 baud connects and it's
about time the whiners accept that fact or they should just place
their 8088 machines in the closet.

It's whitchcraft I tell ya!

Clem,
Ithink you did not understand the problem.
Par and rar are useful to post large files; videos for example.
They allow to break a large file into small files and to reconstruct it
safely.
But they are useless to post jpeg.It a waste of time for the uploader
and for the downloader.
It is that simple

I understand your argument and I agree to a point what you interpret
as a problem when posting a rar file. I can't comment on rar files
specifically as I have very little knowledge of the software basics
surrounding it.

My point however is the name this group. It operates under a binary
designation. By definition alone, everyone is justified uploading any
form of binary files, not just jpg or gif.

I will not apologize for what common sense or pure definition alone
tells all of us what the truth is. I'm not telling you anything you
probably don't know already, but hear me out.

Again, a binary files can contain images, sounds, COMPRESSED VERSIONS
of other files, etc.. In short, any type of file content whatsoever.

When you look at a picture file on some ng's all you see is this:

..JPG
gABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQYGBcU
BYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYaKCgoKCgo

This is just a few lines of what a jpg file looks like in raw text.

You are forced to download the entire file to your computer and
only then be able to view it with the appropriate reader.

The software on the server has it's switchs turned off which
normally allow the execution of a seamless connection to
software on your computer so you may view a picture file without
having to download it. The later being looked upon as advances
in software technology. Upgrading, what a concept. But not here!

If this group wants to limit the type of pictures uploaded, then
drop the binary designation in the name which should ensure that
all uploads will be limited in size and only be seen as raw text
until they are first downloaded.

Unfortunately, you can't go backwards with a ng name. You have
to contact your news provider and request a name not in use. I
gave several, any takers?

If memory serves me correctly, trying to upload to large a file
to a non-binary group such as mpegs, rars and the lot, will only
cause the file to fall automatically into a black hole which is
why you see so little spam on non-binary ng's. JPEG's and GIF's
are not as large and can be uploaded.

If I see a sign that says "expressway", do you think I'm only
going to drive 25mph on it? I don't think so and also think some
people on this ng need to better understand what the subject
matter is about before they cry and whine.

A door has been left open for all to post whatever they desire.

As a matter of record, I told J3 that perhaps a few teasers in
a JPG format would be nice. If someone liked them, then email
each other. Starting an FTP system for members only might be a
good idea for this group.

ISP's often have file storage capabilities with each account.
Tie your systems into a ring and you have the makings of your
own private ng parked on a public news system.

Considering the trouble our servers have given us, this is
an idea that should be looked into. A free restricted system.
Break the rules and your access is revoked. Simple, no?

Oh shoot! This means that some people would have to learn
something. Woe is me! I'm sorry, I didn't mean to educate anyone
specifically . . . especially not all those naysayer's using
MSOE!!

Naa, let's all thump our chests, ward off evil spirits and
chase newbies away from here. That way when your all dead
this place will be quiet as a graveyard. That's what you want?

It's witchcraft I tell ya . . . if men were ment to fly, God
would have given them wings.

If you believe that, you'll also believe there is no logical
way to correct this problem.

Any takers ????