In pacplyer wrote:

Yes, you are right Del. My having flown the big iron is not valid
here. (But I didn't bring it up.)

You may not have brought it up, but you are/were one of the people
holding it up as a yardstick against which other members of this
newsgroup should be measured.

My post was in response to Morgans
shooting from the hip on a subject he clearly knows nothing about.

So Jim thinks you are not who you say you are. If you are, then it
should be easy enough to make a fool out of him by posting your identity
and credentials here. If you are not willing to do so, then drop it and
let it ride. Consider it the price of your anonymity.

If
I was to tell you that I don't believe you're a Bearhawk Builder, and
you respond with specific problems you've encountered that are unique
to Bearhawk builders and nobody lurking challenges your claims, then
it's likely you're telling the truth.

The point is, I don't need to do that. My identity and posting history
are a matter of record, and I am known to Bearhawk builders both locally
and on the world wide Bearhawk email list. I even put together an
entire FAQ website as a service to builders and potential builders. The
same can be said of many posters to this group. If you were to get
really bored, you could pull up my name on the FAA database and see my
lowly PP-ASEL and current medical, and later on a couple more ratings
I've earned but which haven't shown up there yet.

But if I'm paranoid like Bernie
the Butt**** and Morgans I won't beleive it since I did a search on
google and only came up with the marketing page. Del, you and others
here, I think, are still missing the more salient point of the value
of long term building and flying experience. Most of you don't have
this depth of experience.

I don't ignore the value of that experience in general, I just don't see
it as having a lot of value to ME and I don't appreciate it being used
as a standard of comparison in a newsgroup where it is not relevant. In .
piloting, sure, but not here. I don't really care much about experience
in punching 747 shaped holes in the sky, or how much time at the top of
a loop a guy might have, because I have no interest in doing those
things. They simply aren't relevant to my task at hand, which is
getting something to fly in the first place.

While you might be able to parrot these
basic airline 101 acronyms above, this doesn't make you a jet pilot.
There's no way you could answer the operational questions I posed
above since you've never flown the equipment. This exposes you as
unqualified to run off somebody who is discussing the DC10.

For what it's worth, pilots aren't the only ones who need to know what
that equipment is and what it does. I'd like to make it clear that I am
not working on any of that stuff but I had to have at least a basic
understanding of it in order to get my most recent ratings.

But
you're probably qualified right now to run somebody off who is
spreading untruths about bearhawk building in this forum. Does one
project make you an expert builder? No.

Nobody here is qualified to run anybody off. All any of us can do is
post factual information as we understand it, and then let the newsgroup
decide. I can think of only one instance where somebody was physically
run off the newsgroup, and in that case it was the individual's employer
who actually did the deed, once they were informed of what their
employee was doing using company resources. It was BWB who did this (
aided by the resident uber-hackers who tracked him down) and at the time
he was widely hailed as a hero not only on this newsgroup, but on others
which had been targeted by the individual in question.

Does it give you the mandate
to run off more experienced builders/flyers who use foul language? No.

It doesn't give me or anyone else the mandate to run off less
experienced builders/flyers either.

Jets are irrelevant here, true. I used to fly FAA proving runs and
teach jet groundschool. As an ATP I trained new co-pilots for eight
years. Who gives a ****! I agree. I don't hang out here to learn or
teach jets. I've already done all that. I hang out here to be
entertained by guys like BWB and learn a few things about homebuilding
in the process. It's just rec: (stands for recreation.) All this bad
blood between you people is ridiculous. When are you ever going to
get over it?

The point is, the controversy surrounding BWB has reached the point
where it isn't about building or flying anymore, and it certainly isn't
entertaining. I do NOT have a dog in this fight and really do not care
what happened between him and the others at P'ville. I've tried to keep
an open mind towards him because he really does have a lot to offer and
has contributed greatly to the discussion here at times. But I also
can't help but notice the pattern of alienation of people who he once
called friends. Even Ammeter, who stuck with Bill through thick and
thin on this group, has now been lumped in with the rest of the "low
time wannabes" for having finally decided that enough was enough.

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