"Jose" wrote in message
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I am talking about relying on a VFR GPS. You are talking about "using"
it, like using a tuna fish sandwich.


Start a new thread. This discussion is about the use of a handheld GPS for
IFR enroute navigation in US controlled airspace.



In a situation where radar vectors could be available, but are not being
provided, one is relying on the controller to do something that the
controller may not be doing. I assume that there is a little more
monitoring of vectored aircraft than "own navigation" aircraft; the
controller is depending on the pilot to navigate if a vector is not being
provided.


One is relying on the controller to do his job as he is required to do. The
controller is required to provide radar monitoring and course guidance, if
necessary, if the route is not on airways or within the usable limits of
navaids.



In a situation where radar coverage does not exist, and navigation is
(therefore) via airways or within the usable limits of naviads, those
navaids do no good if the pilot does not tune them in.

Careful, you're approaching idiocy.



This is the difference between =using= and =relying= on equipment which
dominates so many of these threads. I see no problem using the standard
navaids along with a VFR GPS. You probably agree here. I do see a
problem using a VFR GPS and =not= using any other navaids in this
situation; this is what I call "relying on" a VFR GPS. Your position on
=this= is unclear because of the way you conflate the concepts "use" and
"rely on" in your writing, and because of your statement

The pilot will be able to compare the GPS to his VOR or ADF to verify
it's accuracy.

in support. (btw, it's "its") This tells me we're talking about two
different things while pretending they are the same.


No, we've been talking about use of handheld GPS for IFR enroute navigation
in US controlled airspace.



The FAA does not prohibit the use of a VFR GPS or a tuna fish sandwich in
IFR or IMC. It does prohibit relying on a VFR GPS, and it prohibits
relying on a tuna fish sandwich in the same situation.

Do you agree or disagree with the FAA's stance here?


Post the FAA's statement. I never suggested relying exclusively on VFR GPS,
it was I that pointed out one is NOT relying exclusively on a VFR GPS when
one is using a handheld GPS for IFR enroute navigation in US controlled
airspace.