On May 4, 11:52 am, Vince wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 4, 11:07 am, Vince wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On May 4, 8:48 am, Vince wrote:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...04/ai_n8949287
Better give names dates and places of deliberate overflights of
territory, not cruisng past the border (airspace)
Vince
Vince, you are lost. You can fiddle with whether a document is legit
or not and then turn around and say because a series of photographs
are examined at a CIA facility, actually manned by both CIA and
Pentagon people, that makes it a CIA job. Curtis Lemay made sure the
Strategic Air Command and secondarily the U.S. Air Force knew the
pilot that got those photos was a SAC pilot.
it was a CIA flight part of a long standing CIA operation

Still need to explain all

those F8Us that got shot at in a non-battlefield.
This is a separate issue
Francis Gary Powers was not in a battlefield

Around noon that day (October 27) a Lockheed U-2 piloted by Rudolph
Anderson was shot down by an SA-2 Guideline SAM emplacement,
increasing the stress in negotiations between the USSR and the U.S. It
was later learned that the decision to fire was made locally by a
Soviet commander on his own authority, although exactly who this was
is a matter of some debate.
Why should a "battlefield" shoot increase stress?
the reason is that its not a battlefield

Later that day, at about 3:41 p.m.,

several F8U Crusader aircraft on low-level recce missions were fired
upon, and one was hit by a 37 mm shell but managed to return to base.
Still not a "battlefield"

Vince

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/di...ba/cuba011.htm
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/di...ba/cuba013.htm
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/di...ba/cuba017.htm

The President approved the recommendation for a U-2 flight, to be
piloted by a Strategic Air Command pilot, or a military pilot attached
to the Central Intelligence Agency. document 11

it was up to the CIA to decide

It was then agreed that future information would be disseminated to
members of USIB, with appropriate instructions that only those
responsible for giving the President advice be given the information.
Furthermore, that within CIA circles a minimum number of experts be
informed. McCone stated there was no problem in CIA, that it was secure.
It was therefore agreed that the USIB members would be instructed to
restrict the information to their personal offices and fully and
currently inform the Chiefs of Staff, the Chairman, the Service
Secretaries and the Secretary of Defense document 12

This document clearly shows that the CIA was controlling the
distribution under the direct orders of the president. this is
completely inconsistent with it being a USAF operation

document 13 does not mention the U-2

But it does outline the options being considered.

Docuemnt 17 does not mention the U-2

But it does describe an operation (Ortsac) in which an invasion of a
Caribbean land is invaded.

The reason the switch from CIA to Air Forces is not discussed on a
document is that it was a violent and noisy fight between the CIA that
knew there were missile bases in Pinar del Rio and LeMay who wanted
his boys to get the glory. The Pentagon backed LeMay. Scoop Jackson's
memoirs, which I have quoted previously show that is the President who
makes the decision to use Air Force pilots for th slim possibility
they will be made priosners of war and not killed as spies.

Vince