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Old February 15th 10, 11:17 PM posted to alt.games.microsoft.flight-sim,rec.aviation.piloting
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Default They call it the impossible turn.

On Feb 16, 11:25*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Logajan writes:
The above assertion is an invention without foundation and is contradictive
of existing statistics. In 2006, of 153 fixed wing GA accidents whose
causal chain began during the takeoff phase of flight, 16 resulted in
fatalities (~10%) [Ref 1, figure 9]. Of the 160 fixed wing GA accidents
attributed to pilot error during takeoff or climb, 31 resulted in
fatalities (~19%) [Ref 1, figure 2].


[1] 2007 Nall Report, AOPA Air Safety Foundation Publication.
http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html


Since a successful return to the airport does not cause an accident, where are
the statistics on the success stories for comparison?


In the absence of appropriate data, perhaps this analysis is useful:

http://www.nar-associates.com/techni.../possible.html

In summary, I'd say it is unlikely that at 200' you could make a turn
back in a typical powered GA aircraft. More height and training help
but in the vid in question I see two obvious errors, first he did not
think to use the diagonal runway which could be reached more easily
(=lack of pre-planning) and second he did not perform the optimal
turn. What is sobering is the failure of the pilots to make the
maneuver successfully -even when briefed.

Hope this helps reduce the 'noise'.

Cheers