On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 20:57:11 +0000, Keith W wrote:

Mr.B1ack wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:16:31 -0800, Delvin Benet wrote:

On 1/28/2013 5:08 AM, Mr.B1ack wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:49:32 -0800, Transition Zone wrote:

On Jan 27, 2:19 am, "Mr.B1ack" wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:30:42 -0800, Transition Zone wrote:
On Jan 25, 9:54 pm, "Mr.B1ack" wrote:
Strictly speaking, the 787 is not an engineering failure. Like
anything complex and new it has a few issues. So far these issues
haven't caused any fatalities.

But, the then-new EU Airbus airliner (A320) did have mostly
fatalities on an opening day mess-up, back on June 26, 1988, at
Mulhouse-Habsheim Airport. Airbus's A380 had terrible delays,
too.

Irrevelant.

It did not acquire the REPUTATION for being dangerous.

And the A320 didn't?

That's all-important.

That's all that counts.

The 787 is *done*.

I *way* doubt that.


Put it this way ... *I* won't fly on one.

I don't fly much any more - it's a miserable experience since 9/11 no
matter what the plane is - but I wouldn't have flown on the 787 until
it had been in service for a year or so.

This battery problem is worse than the average sort of aeronautical
hiccup - more like a serious case of indigestion - but they'll
overcome it.

They'll overcome it - technically - but will that help in terms of
public *perception* ? If the public thinks it's a deathtrap then why
would airlines buy any ? Switch to Airbus instead.

Remember Value-Jet ? Remember the flaming CRASH ? The *name*
'Value-Jet' became inviable - and they had to change it to
"Jet-Blue".

I don't think Boeing can try that trick.


erm Valujet did not change to JetBlue thats a quite different airline


You're right ... "ValueJet" became "AirTran" to
escape its stigma.


Recall the planes, spend a year REALLY debugging them ... then
re-issue them as the '797' instead. Tweak the cosmetics a bit too ...
then it will *seem* like a new plane and public paranoia will be
avoided. Yea, it'll be 99.5 percent the 787, but *perception* is
what's gonna count.


Says the man who perceived Jetblue as the reincarnation of Valujet.

Pick another nit.

The reality is that MANY new aircraft have suffered minor engineering
issues that caused them to be grounded for a while including the new
Airbus 380

I'll say it ONCE more ... 'reality' doesn't MATTER.
Public PERCEPTION matters. That perception is immune
to reason, to evidence, to statistics. It's a emotion
thing.

And Boeing didn't spin fast enough to prevent the
perception of the 787 becoming that of a flaming
deathtrap.