The MiG-29 will be given to Poland (I will miss them) and the EF 2000 might
need some additional time until it becomes a real fighter, but then it might
become more interessting.

Best,

MCN


"robert arndt" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"MCN" wrote in message
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In a duel F-15 against F-4 II it isn't that big surprise, but it is well
known that the IAF is superior to every AF when it comes to dogfights in
jets.



Best,



MCN

Not necessarily. If the Germans had used the now retired MiG-29s using
the IRST the Israelis might have lost. And, what of the new
Eurofighter coming into use?

Rob

"Quant" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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This is the first Joint airforce excersie between Isael and Germany
and it shows how close to each other the two countries are.

Israeli pilots beat the Germans by more than 100 hits in dogfights
excersie (I don't know what exactly the excersie was simulating).


According ot Janes:
http://www.janes.com/defence/air_for...0529_1_n.shtml

Few years ago, US Marine Corps F/A-18 Hornets from the Balkans theater
recently engaged in mock combat with Israeli Air Force fighters. The
Hornets were armed with AIM-9s, and the Israeli fighters carried
Python 3 and Python 4 missiles and Elbit DASH helmet sights. IDR's
source describes the results as "more than ugly", the Israelis
prevailing in 220 out of 240 engagements.


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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1064202589502


Sep. 22, 2003
Israeli airforce beats German pilots in 'dogfight' exercise
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Israeli air force pilots handily beat their German counterparts in
"dogfights" in the first ever air force exercise between the two
countries, an Israeli military official said Monday.

The Israeli F-15 pilots, aided by special technology that Israel does
not share or sell to other countries, beat the Germans by more than
100 "hits," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. In
the past, Israel has beaten American air force pilots by similar
margins, the officials added.

Israel purchases U.S. warplanes without battle technology, installing
its own locally made systems into the aircraft.

The exercise was conducted over the past two weeks in the skies of
Sardinia in Italy.

Germany is considered one of Israel's closest defense allies.
Recently, Germany sold _ for a symbolic fee _ three advanced "Dolphin"
submarines to Israel.

Israel's air force has held exercises with the United States and
Turkey recently.