On Mon, 30 May 2005 12:21:26 -0400, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

George Patterson wrote:

I feel that it's reprehensibly careless for anyone to do primary flight
training in IMC.

It's been a while, but does the Private PTS require that the three hours of
non-visual conditions be simulated or can some be actual?

61.109(3) doesn't say, it just says "3 hours of flight training in a
single-engine airplane on the control and maneuvering of an airplane
solely by reference to instruments, including straight and level
flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a heading,
recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio communications, and the
use of navigation systems/facilities and radar services appropriate to
instrument flight; "

Do the advocates for doing some actual during primary flight training
really see no difference between taking a student pilot through some
thin stratus at 5-6000 to show them what being inside a cloud is
really like, and attempting to shoot an ILS to at/below minimums?