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Old May 18th 08, 11:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.student
Bertie the Bunyip[_25_]
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Default Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff

"Ken S. Tucker" wrote in
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On May 18, 3:34 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Without getting into a whole magilla concerning right and wrong,
simply let me say that in my opinion physical sensation should
never, and I repeat it again so that there's NO mistake....NEVER
be used to verify or augment an instrument reading. In my opinion,
this is what proper scan technique is all about. You verify
instruments CONSTANTLY using other instruments, right on down to
primary panel if necessary, but in my opinion, the basic concept
of ignoring physical cues and sensations while on instruments is a
sound principle ans should be followed to the letter.
...
I won't argue with a single word of that.


But...


That doesn't make physical sensations irrelevent or unimportant. In
fact, it is the MISLEADING sensations that are very important in
the sense that, if you don't have significant experience "playing
over" them, one typically ends up dead (in real life). Sitting on
your lazy boy, those sensations don't happen - you always feel
"coordinated" - you don't get disoriented, you don't experience
vertigo - which makes flying in simulated IMC stupid easy compared
to real life.


And, I would argue that _no_ _ammount_ of desktop simulation will
_ever_ prepare you for the assult on your senses that can happen
when things aren't going well in real life soup.


One may think that one can handle real IMC based on desktop
experience - but without realizing just how difficult it is to
ignore your inner ear screaming lies at you, one doesn't really
have any idea what flying real IMC is like - I would bet that an
experienced "sim only" pilot would pull the wings off in less than
3 minutes in real life.


I believe you and I are in complete agreement. Perhaps something
being misread.
The understanding of sensations and how they interact with the IFR
experience is of paramount importance. In fact, a lack of this
understanding can get you killed quicker than anything else I can
think of at the moment.
Where I was referring to the sensations issue was directly concerned
with one pilot who commented that verifying an instrument reading
with a physical sensation was important. My point was that instrument
verification should be done against other instruments with the
EXCLUSION of physical sensation from that equation.


When I was a kid, I was spun to dizzy, and
then staggered when I tried to walk.



shaken hard a lot too, I'm willing to bet.


bertie