In message , Fred J. McCall
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote:
:Translation - Fred's been caught in a mistake (again).

Translation - Paul's elected to start lying (again).

Easy accusation, Fred - though you can never back it up.

:Killing people and blowing stuff up counts as "operations".

Yes, but this is something of a non sequitur to what I said above.

You asked for operations on multiple continents, I provided, now you're
weaselling?

:You're saying the _PLO_ weren't international, and they've had a seat at
:the UN for thirty years!

Another bit of gorilla dust you like to throw ... 'political wing' is
not 'terrorist wing'. Having an observer seat at the UN means bugger
all. If that makes an organization 'international', I guess we'd all
better be very worried about Tong a....

How many people have been killed over Tongan independence in the last
forty years?

:PIRA trained, based, raised funds, and killed in many countries. Seems
:sufficient to call them "international".

Fine, Paul. The Irish are evil incarnate. Why, they are the very
Devil reborn. They should be wiped from the face of the Earth, since
they are worse than any other possible evil extant or potential on the
planet.

Happy now?

No. I _like_ most of the Irish I've met. They're generally as worried
about IRA activities as we are, because these aren't cuddly freedom
fighters: they're criminals using a political agenda to cover a
thoroughly ruthless racketeering operation.

You might want to check out who Michael McKevitt is, and where's he's
on trial, what he's tried with, and observe the total lack of protest
and demonstration at his persecution by the authorities (including MI5,
Gardai and FBI)

Don't let facts get in the way of a good rant, though.


And what did any of the above have to do with disproving international
activity by the IRA?

:Oh, stop being so idiotic, Fred.

Very well, I'll stop taking you at your word and simply pretend you're
saying other words entirely.

Can't hurt, given your demonstrated incomprehension.

:My only problem is finding you so funny when you get on your high horse
:in defiance of facts. Usually in preparation to ride off into the sunset
:when you show you've not only grabbed the wrong end of the stick, but
:beaten yourself senseless with it.

You mean when you foam sufficiently prolifically to be a dead loss of
time, which is where you've been headed for a while in this thread.

You're more than usually content-free, Fred.

:Remember when you claimed that nobody used PGMs for CAS, and that dumb
:iron was preferred? That you spoke for the aviation community with one
:voice? Whoops. (Of course you fled the debate at that point, perhaps
:because you realised what you'd said)

I disagreed with your contention that JAMS from B-52s at 30,000 feet
constituted 'close air support'.

You explicitly stated that CAS could not be done with guided weapons, or
from high altitude, and you stated that nobody who gave a damn about the
lives of the troops on the ground would use such methods.

"one does not do CAS with 'smart weapons' or ANYTHING dropped from
30,000 feet (if one truly gives a damn about the folks on the ground)."
Fred J. McCall, 23 June 2003

Your words, not mine. Unfortunately they're not correct.

Given a choice between those and
'dumb iron', the Marines, at least, will use 'dumb iron' (if the
questions we've been getting from them are any indicator).

Oh, so your sweeping statements are in fact specific to one service of
one nation? Strange how you were adamant that other services and other
NATO nations (and even the USMC's own doctrine) is irrelevant to you...

[We are now about to enter the famous Paul Adam "winning through
extraneous volume on an unrelated issue" tactic ... nab, it's not
worth bothering with.]

This is Fred's usual distraction tactic when it's pointed out that
actually _did_ make the incorrect statements attributed to him.

:I'm the one with the facts, Fred, you're the one claiming black is
:white. Again.

Stick to torpedoes, Paul.

You're out of date, Fred. Again, your confidence exceeds your grasp of
facts.

:Keep it up, it's funny.

To you, no doubt it is. This sort of game being 'amusing' for you is
one of the reasons you keep cycling into my killfile. Not worth the
time and bother once you start 'playing', and combatting your lies and
distortion is hardly either 'entertaining' or useful.

Show me one lie, Fred.

Oh, I forgot - you can't, can you?

You can
certainly lie bigger and faster than anyone I know can tell the truth.

Challenge Fred for proof, and he disappears in a puff of falsehood.

--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam