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Old February 20th 08, 06:25 AM
Simon Gunson Simon Gunson is offline
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Andy,

Kammler flew from Prague to Barcelona on 27 April 1944 in a Ju-290 flown by Flight Hauptmann Paul Sluzalek. The same day Hitler learned through a BBC radio broadcast that Himmler had negotiated a separate peace through Count folke von Bernadotte and thus ordered the arrest of his SS adjutant Feiglein, Himmler and Kammler.

There are at least four conflicting accounts of Kammler's death and neither one is proven.

The identity of this Ju-290 aircraft is conflicted by confusing information however the consistent information available suggests it was formerly 9V+DK and flying in Deutsch Luft Hansa colours when it reached Barcelona. I no longer have contact with the Spanish source of this information.

The Ju-390 V2 registered RC+DA (modified from JU-290A1 werke nr J900155) was used by Kammlerstab to evacuate the "bell" from a former coal mine near Breslau.

The bell was a container for mercury which was spun inside by electro magnets on the outside until mercury inside fluoresced into a gas plasma causing some unusual electromagnetic effects around it. This was some kind of anti gravity experiment. The bell was flown to Bodo, Norway in Feb 1945.

Dr Wilhelm Voss of Kammler's staff told journalist Tom Agoston after the war that the same Ju-390 V2 flew to Tokyo on 28 March 1945.

In May 1945 it was flown to a German ranch in Paysandu province, Uruguay, where it was dismantled.

Look Andy I am dead keen to correspond with you about the Ju-390 and in particular about Anna Kreisling.

Please will you write to me on: (sy.gunson [AT...delete this] gmail.com)?

Love to hear from you Andy. You're quite right about how important this was to the end of WW2 and stuff which remains classified.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Andy Simmons View Post
Official documentation clearly shows that Kammler was still issuing
orders in late April 1945, his last telegram on April 17th refused
Himmler access to a Junkers truck (which several authors have
interpreted as being the JU390, a plane suitable for long haul non
stop cargo flight).


Cite please, we know that Himmler was meeting with Count Bernadotte in Lubeck on April 24


Certainly, as Cited in: Speer, Albert, SLAVE STATE, THE., London,
Weidenfeld & Nicolson., 1981. National Archive location/citation of
these documents can be provided.

JU390 was of it being loaded with cargo on an air field in
Czechoslovakia). After the war the JU390 was never found. Further
historical documents tell us that on 22nd April 1945 Kammler agreed to
a request of Gallands to relocate ME 262 jets to the vacinity of
Prague.


Nonsense. Galland was appointed commander of JV-44 in Febuary 1945
It was based at Brandenburg Briest until 3rd April 1945 and then relocated
to Munich Riem in Bavaria were it stayed until 29 April 1945


You've missed my point entirely its not important WHERE JV-44 was
relocated to but WHO gave the order and WHEN i.e it was Kammler who
sanctioned Galland's request a responsibility Kammler had assumed on
27th March when he became The Führer's Plenipotentiary for Jet Planes.

This was however NOT near Prague it was in fact over Neuberg in Bavaria


Others might argue that Prague is well within the sphere of operation
of the an ME 262 which could travel well over 1,000 miles on a single
fuel load. Confirmation of Kammler's direct sanctioning of this order
is contained within documents I have obtained from the KZ GUSEN
MEMORIAL COMMITTEE (ST. GEORGEN/GUSEN, Austria - private
communication).

As for the elusive General Kammler, no less than six different
accounts (each with a sworn witness statement) exist describing the
death, suicide/heroric death charge of the General. James Lucas' 'Last
Days of the Reich' even gives another sworn statement (a detailed
account of the evacuation of the German families trapped in Prague to
the American lines at Pilsen). This account clearly states that
Kammler was in Prague on May 7th.


Which would have made it somewhat difficult for him to escape to the
Americans since the Soviets took that city


Absolute nonsense, General Toussaint negotiated with Czech Partisans
at the Revolutionary Czech National Council Head Quarters in Prague
for four hours to secure an armistice to allow German soldiers and
civilians to evacuate the city. Shortly after 4pm on May 8th General
Toussaint was granted his armistice. The alternative was that the SS
‘Der Führer' Regiment would make Pregaue one of the last battlegrounds
of the European theatre and wipe the city of the face of the planet.

Shortly after nine o'clock on the morning of May 9th a column of one
thousand vehicles, overloaded with civilians, military administrative
staff, the wounded and soldiers of ‘Der Führer' reached its final
destination and surrendered to the US 2nd Infantry Division at
Rokiczany.

My point here being in this confusion it would have been very easy for
Kammler to slip through. Oh and incidently where did General Toussaint
end up after WWII, why working for the Russians of course.

A number of years ago when I was researching this subject I exchanged
several letters with one of Kammler's sons. He told me that the
Americans had made numerous attempts to contact his father. This is
certainly not something that you will read about in any conventional
history books today


Probably because there is no evidence that it ever happened

Not according to Kammler's late wife who spoke about it often to her
sons. Again I disagree with you strongly when you say kammler had nothing to trade.

Thats your right of course but since the Americans had the

technicians , scientists and documents ....


And once again, now why exactly was that?....because Kammler made it
possible, this was his bargaining chip along with his other
'developments' which he spoke to Speer about!

IMHO? I have heard this story from several sources, recently a German
lawyer has claimed that General Kammler actually survived the war and
lived in Czechoslovakia as part of a joint deal with the US and
Russia.


And I've heard stories that Elvis is alive and well and working in
a chip shop in Barnsley, that doesnt make it true.


Documentary evidence from this German legal source, (these documents
have been confirmed as authentic by independent forensic examiners)


As were the Hitler diaries as I recall


Which is exactly why the forensic examination and decoding of these
documents has been so thorough. As I am sure you will appreciate
however, these documents differ significantly from the Hitler diaries
in one very important way. They contain information which enables
their authenticity to be verified 100% i.e the coded bank accounts and
names of signatories are real in that these bank accounts/name decode
to show that they really DO EXIST. The banks in question have
CONFIRMED this.

indicate that General Kammler was involved in an organised technology/
financial transfer out of Germany at the wars end. Meetings are
currently taking place with representatives from a number of Swiss
Banks to investiagte these documents further. These meetings were only
agreed to when bank account numbers and names were decoded from these
documents and presented to the banks by the German investigators.

SS financial transfers to Swiss banks are scarcely news


Again you are missing the point entirely, these newly discovered bank
accounts were held by senior Nazi officials. This have NEVER been
confirmed before. Names are given with dates of transfers etc etc.
Even the Bergier Commission failed to identify these bank accounts as
the dates and movements within these accounts fell outside their
remit. On the contrary this is BIG NEWS!

Andy

Last edited by Simon Gunson : February 20th 08 at 06:29 AM.