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Old October 22nd 03, 01:52 AM
Mikhail Medved
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Great post!


It was.

And, by choosing the eastern, Pacific route of expansion rather than the
western, they ensured that the Navy rather than the Army would have
precedence in the Japanese junta of the time. These guys made an

absolute
art-form of inter-service rivalry!

Interesting to speculate what if they had pursued the western route

instead.
Of course if they and the Nazis had been proper allies instead of
mistrustful (as well as untrustworthy!) basket cases, they'd have been
having this discussion in late 1940 or so.

Think Germany and Japan, working together in a coordinated way, could

have
beaten the Soviets without bringing the US or UK into the war?


Yes and no. Yes, Germany can attack the Soviets without the West
getting in the way. Skip the occupation of Prague, and go straight
for Poland. Poland is not well thought-of in the West, since they
joined in on the carveup of Czechoslovakia. Then occupy the Baltic
States. Now start the Anti-Bolshevik Crusade.

But they won't win.

Germany has Barbarossa but without having Fall Gelb first.


Germany looted a huge amount of gold, fuel, weapons, ammo, food,
trucks, and industrial production from occupied France. It came to
~15 gigabucks (1940 dollars) IIRC.


OTOH they alsoguaranteed a fight with the UK, then still (just!) the world's
leading military power.


Any proof to that opinion? The "leading military power" was removed
from the continent in a few weeks of actual fighting. The biggest
battle was the battle of Alamein, in which they fiught a small German
corps.

The Navy was strong, of course, but so far no-one won a war on
continent with only the Navy.

Of course, if that makes you feel beeter...

Without these resources, the
German effort in the East is likely to fall a great deal short.

Japan consolidates in China


That will never happen.


Even without trying to take on the US?

then attacks Siberia.


And gets trounced as bad as they did in 1937 - 1939.

And there's no oil they can get to in Siberia, even if they do win,
which they won't.


Even without trying to take on the US?

And then perhaps done Western Europe afterwards. Assume a 1938/9
understanding greater than actually happened.


Dosen't help. Neither has what it takes, although the West might
support the Axis if it looks like the Bolshies are about to win it
all.


Now that would be an interesting thought! Certainly lead to a different
history...

John