"Tony Volk" wrote in message
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But, that is unresponsive to the question. While running USAF
exercises from USAFE Hq in the early '80s I set up a lot of
USN/USAF/NATO dissimilar air-to-air exercises.
Typically the debrief between F-14A and F-15A showed the Eagles
prevailing WVR (in those days it was guns/Lima/AIM-7F) and the Turkeys
claiming it made no difference because the Eagle was morted pre-merge
with the -54.

I'd forgotten about that series of engagements. You've told me about
them before. Thanks for the good comments guys. I'd be happy to hear
more,
but perhaps more subjective and interesting question is what's the most
memorable a-a waxing you've ever given (or gotten)? There's got to be
some
great stories about bagging an ace, or like you said Ed, taking out an
Eagle
in a Talon. Or a Scooter bagging a Hornet. Or even an Intruder or 'Vaark
getting the drop on someone! So let me grab you a pint, pull up a chair,
and let the bragging begin! "There I was..."

Tony

p.s.- I assume that the best is probably coming home alive after doing
your
job, but I wanted to open the floor to some shameless and entertaining
bragging



As an occasional adversary, my observation is that B/D (whatever they've
called them over time...) Tomcat is a much different animal than the A, not
just in Ps, but in terms of relatively carefree operation of the jet in BFM
(i.e. much better stall margin in the GE motors). Well flown B/D was
similar or better than Eagle in my experience.

Pressure game was always best in BFM against either jet. Usually led to a
premature vertical move by the fighter, a need to come out of the vertical
earlier than he wanted, and a rapid transition into a rolling fight which
was where the game was now on my terms. However, both have remarkable
agility given their size, and pilot ability/experience remains
the most common determinant of who wins.

IME, the best BFM machine in the US inventory is the Hornet.