On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:21:09 GMT, Ed Rasimus
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 18:08:02 -0400, "Bob Martin"
wrote:

Anyone have data on typical chaff/flare loads for F-4's, both in Vietnam and
modern day? Thanks

No flares on F-4s in SEA. (Photo-flash carts on RF-4s only). No
self-protection chaff carts either. We carried cardboard boxes (about
the size of a box of Xmas tree tinsel) in the speedbrake wells. Open
the boards to deploy. Try not to use speed brakes earlier in the
mission. One time use.

ECM bring your brooms to the arming area. Grumble, grumble, pilot.

Chaff for corridors was mostly chaff bombs dropped by specific fragged
flights. Very limited deployment at end of '72 of ALE-38 chaff
dispenser for corridor laying.

Did you ever hear of anyone in SEA flying the old ALE-2 chaff tanks.
The ones used on T-33 along with the I-band ALQ-72 for interceptor
training at some bases. I was at Tyndall and around 1973 we got a
message in to make our chaff tanks 100% OR and ready to ship out. The
mechanism that held the chaff down hadn't been used in years because
the T-33 wasn't exactly a high speed aircraft.
They might have dropped that idea come to think of it since we put the
same inards of the tank inside on the rotating weapons door of the
f-101 and at high speed the chaff and tapes were sucked out right over
the dispenser. F-101 would land with a 100 ft. of chaff tapes flapping
in the wind from the weapons door.
I left the base before hearing what happened with the tanks..


ALE-40 dispensers were added to F-4Es around '74-'75. We never got
them on C models in USAFE at all.