KAE wrote in
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:15:25 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

WingFlaps wrote in
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On Apr 25, 8:50*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 01:27:52 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip


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The best way to do it is with a steep bank. Very steep.

The bank angle may be quantified:

Good grief Larry, you really are an idiot.
Of course it can be quatified, but the numbers only tell a minute
part of the story. I can categorically state that I can do a 180
with
70 deg bank at VSO 1.2 deadstick and come out the other end in one
piece. Can you? Try it using those figures and send my the answer
via
my Ouiji board.


Well I cannot understand you you can load the plane up like that and
not raise stall speed beyond 1.2Vs so you must be using a wing drop
to
acclerate the turn? Do you could just stall out of the turn -but
how
much height do you loose in the stall and it's recovery?

No, you have to lower the nose continuously to offload as you go
around
the bend. You will end up fairy nose low at the end of the turn
alright
but you can recover that as you level the wings. The turn is pretty
rapid at that speed so you won't be in it too long. It's as about "on
the edge" as you can get. It's the only way it can be done unles you
have an airplane with an outrageous climb. If you're proficient in
spins
try it at a bit of altitude and a reduced bank angle. You can increase
the bank in subsequent attempts as you become more comfortable. just
don't get the idea that this will make you good enough to try it in
anger on it's own!


Bertie

Is that a good description of how Bob Hoover used to fly his engine
out performance in the Shrike commander?
His energy management routine was one of the best parts of an airshow.
Kirk

Well, in many ways this is a lot more demanding. he would have had a lot
of energy in sotre for that dispaly, doing this, you're relatively low
and you have no speed to spare bar what you can make for yourself by
getting the nose down. I'm not saying you have to be a flying god to do
it, but you do have to be able to do this sort of manuever accurately
without even thinking about it, and that isn't part of any syllabus I
know of.


Bertie