On Monday, November 12, 2012 8:40:16 PM UTC-5, John Cochrane wrote:
On Nov 12, 6:07*pm, wrote:

On Monday, November 12, 2012 5:14:37 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:

Tim, Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why a higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the theoretically lower performance LS-8 is not? 2C



Read again the text of the description and note that it describes a handicap range.

All sailplanes withing that range would be permitted to fly in Club class. This includes the LS-8.

Yes it appears you are confused, but not sure where confusion came from..

Cheers

UH



To clarify, the "club" class competition will include all sailplanes

below 0.899 (Ls6 / ventus abc) on the US handicap list. (Subject to

SSA BOD approval) as Hank said. This includes LS8/D2, V1 and all

ASW20s. It also extends arbitrarily to lower performance, so a KA6 is

welcome to come fly the "club" class.



The US team is still deciding what to do about team selection, which

is a separate issue. For the moment, they have made no change to the

rule that sailplanes must be on the US team club class list to qualify

for team selection points. This includes V1 and all ASW20s, but not

LS8/D2. It also has a lower limit, the KA6 is not on it. (see ssa,

racing, other resources, handicaps. Look for the "C" for club).The

team will announce a formal decision on this issue when they have made

it. Until they announce a change, the current rules are in effect, see

the ssa list.



The IGC maintains a separate list of what "club" means. This changes

from championship to championship. The current version does not

include the V1 or ASW20 b and c. This list has no bearing on US

contests at the moment.



In sum, there may be three definitions of "club" to watch: 1) who is

allowed to fly in the "club" portion of US sports/club class nationals

2) what gliders, flying in that contest, earn US team points 3) the

IGC "club" list for the upcoming world championships. They are all

different!



John Cochrane

I have been reading with interest the discussion concerning the club class.
I have no "vested" interest in the club class just "great" interest.

I don't understand allowing gliders to be a part of the club class in this country that are not allowed by the IGC. The V1 and the LS-6 seem to be the big question. The notion that the V1 and the LS-6 are of the same vintage as the early ASW-20 is just not so. I was lucky enough to be around when the first ASW-20 came into this country. It was accompanied by the mini nimbus, PIK and mosquito and later the LS-3. Only after several refinements of the ASW-20 did the V1 and LS-6 appear on the scene.

GUTTING the sports class and spreading the handicaps to extreme seems to be of concern. Doesn't leaving the V1 and the LS-6 in sports class help with both problems.

Participation seems to be a factor in the RC decisions. I personally think that if the RC would listen to the pilots who have interest in the club class rather than dictating to them you may find that interest will grow. Do you really expect pilots to be enthusiastic and jump in with both feet when their thoughts and ideas are continuously falling on deaf ears.

Rules Committee. Listen to the movers and shakers of the club class in the country. They have have been bold enough to step up and purchase a club glider and are ready to move forward. There are some really smart people in this group who have put a great deal of time and effort into this movement just as you have.

Club Class glider pilots. If you don't feel that you are being properly represented on the rules committee be willing to step up and run for a seat on the committee. If you feel that the rules committee need new members and a new way of thinking put you name on the ballot. 5U