At 15:44 13 November 2012, 5 ugly wrote:
On Monday, November 12, 2012 8:40:16 PM UTC-5, John Cochrane wrote:
On Nov 12, 6:07=A0pm, wrote:
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On Monday, November 12, 2012 5:14:37 PM UTC-5, Kevin Christner wrote:
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Tim, Thanks for your thoughts. Am I the only one confused about why
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higher performance LS-6 would be allowed in the "Club" class while the
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oretically lower performance LS-8 is not? 2C
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Read again the text of the description and note that it describes a
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dicap range.
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All sailplanes withing that range would be permitted to fly in Club
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ss. This includes the LS-8.
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Yes it appears you are confused, but not sure where confusion came
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Cheers
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UH
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To clarify, the "club" class competition will include all sailplanes
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below 0.899 (Ls6 / ventus abc) on the US handicap list. (Subject to
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SSA BOD approval) as Hank said. This includes LS8/D2, V1 and all
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ASW20s. It also extends arbitrarily to lower performance, so a KA6 is
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welcome to come fly the "club" class.
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The US team is still deciding what to do about team selection, which
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is a separate issue. For the moment, they have made no change to the
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rule that sailplanes must be on the US team club class list to qualify
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for team selection points. This includes V1 and all ASW20s, but not
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LS8/D2. It also has a lower limit, the KA6 is not on it. (see ssa,
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racing, other resources, handicaps. Look for the "C" for club).The
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team will announce a formal decision on this issue when they have made
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it. Until they announce a change, the current rules are in effect, see
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the ssa list.
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The IGC maintains a separate list of what "club" means. This changes
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from championship to championship. The current version does not
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include the V1 or ASW20 b and c. This list has no bearing on US
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contests at the moment.
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In sum, there may be three definitions of "club" to watch: 1) who is
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allowed to fly in the "club" portion of US sports/club class nationals
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2) what gliders, flying in that contest, earn US team points 3) the
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IGC "club" list for the upcoming world championships. They are all
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different!
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John Cochrane

I have been reading with interest the discussion concerning the club
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I have no "vested" interest in the club class just "great" interest.

I don't understand allowing gliders to be a part of the club class in
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country that are not allowed by the IGC. The V1 and the LS-6 seem to be
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big question. The notion that the V1 and the LS-6 are of the same
vintage
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as the early ASW-20 is just not so. I was lucky enough to be around when
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e first ASW-20 came into this country. It was accompanied by the mini
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s, PIK and mosquito and later the LS-3. Only after several refinements of
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he ASW-20 did the V1 and LS-6 appear on the scene.=20

GUTTING the sports class and spreading the handicaps to extreme seems to
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of concern. Doesn't leaving the V1 and the LS-6 in sports class help
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both problems.=20

Participation seems to be a factor in the RC decisions. I personally
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that if the RC would listen to the pilots who have interest in the club
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ss rather than dictating to them you may find that interest will grow. Do
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ou really expect pilots to be enthusiastic and jump in with both feet
when
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their thoughts and ideas are continuously falling on deaf ears.

Rules Committee. Listen to the movers and shakers of the club class in
the
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country. They have have been bold enough to step up and purchase a club
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der and are ready to move forward. There are some really smart people in
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is group who have put a great deal of time and effort into this movement
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st as you have.

Club Class glider pilots. If you don't feel that you are being properly
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resented on the rules committee be willing to step up and run for a seat
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the committee. If you feel that the rules committee need new members and
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new way of thinking put you name on the ballot. 5U


Here here - there is a definition of IGC club class- IT IS AN FAI/IGC
CLASS. why does the USA have to different to the rest of the world?, in
just this one competition class? What's the reasoning? or are you going to
find a way for 301 Libelles to be competetive in 15m or a Diamant 18 to be
competitive in 18m or an old Skylark 4 to be competetive in Open?

Contary to Johns's statement the 'club class' has been pretty well defined
for a number of years now - it DOES NOT change every championship.

Try running a proper IGC defined club class - as a separte comp to sports
class or 2 sports classes - high and low handicaps (could be same
venue/time though) see how it goes -i f insufficent takers then rethink -
instead of creating the basterdised child you are now attempting to create
in a misguided attempt to please everyone. or V1/LS6 drivers -who if
successful would have to change planes to compete at World level anyway.