Hi Ramy,

Jon and I had a private conversation on the topic and I regret that I
did not make my initial response to him private.Â* What most don't
understand is that we gun owners are not "gun lovers", but instead
"freedom lovers".Â* What riles us is the threat of others wanting to
remove our freedoms.Â* If you review all of my posts over the past 30
years or so, I expect you'll not find a single instance of my wanting to
ban anything.Â* All I request is similar consideration.

Please contact me privately if you want to discuss this further. I'll
bow out now.

On 11/12/2019 10:00 PM, Ramy wrote:
Jonathan, I am with you. I feel your pain.
Dan, with all due respect, please respect yourself and stop with the idiotic comparison of guns to cars, hammers, fires, texting and long list of stupid comparisons. None of those things were designed and intended to kill. Why don’t you mention gliders? After all this is the subject of this thread! Gliders kill too. In fact, I know more people who were killed by gliders than by guns. Way more. So by your logic, gliders are probably more dangerous. Maybe we should ban gliders? Yet I love gliders since they were designed to give us pleasure and achievements. They were not designed to kill. It is an unfortunate cost. Yet I hate guns, even though I carried and used guns while in the army. Guns designed to kill. This includes hunting BTW.
I usually avoid politics on RAS. But when folks like Greg bring guns as the reason to want to live in the US just boils my blood. He could have skipped it, but he intentionally brought it up to **** off many, probably most of us. I am glad Jonathan responded. And I am probably going to regret I did. But couldn’t help it. I know quiet a few gun lovers, like you Dan, and I can be their friends, just stop throwing it in our face. There is nothing to be proud of owning a gun. Be proud of your stemme and the great adventures you have in it. Ok, nough said.

Ramy

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Dan, 5J