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Old July 28th 03, 10:37 PM
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"Marty Ross" wrote in message rthlink.net...
Indeed, it was my understanding that I could not log PIC time for IMC I had
flown (yes - albeit as "sole manipulator") while with my instrument
instructor. This is because on my last few flights he corrected his entry
in my logbook, reducing the PIC time by exactly the amount he wrote in the
"Actual" column. When I asked him about this, I believe he said something
like: "since you're not currently rated to act as PIC in actual IFR
conditions, you can't log it as PIC time [even though you're sole
manipulator of the controls]" (content in brackets my interpretation of his
meaning).


It is my belief that your flight instructor is incorrect
and that his opinion disagrees with several opinions from the
FAA Counsel's Office.

FWIW, this is how my actual time is logged: as PIC. My husband,
or my CFI, who acted as PIC, also logged PIC time.

I understood this situation to be similar to the situation another person
asked recently on a related forum: "can a student pilot that flies with me
[a PPL] log time?", and the consensus here was: "no, he can't because he's
not yet rated to fly [in the current situation; namely, with a passenger,
even though he was sole manipulator]". Using that logic, it seemed to make
sense to me.


I don't follow how your logic makes sense of this. There is a specific
regulation which covers logging PIC time. It states several
restrictions, including that the pilot must be rated. It says
nothing about the conditions of flight. If you're rated, and you
meet another criterion (such as "sole manipulator of the controls")
you can log PIC. Different situation than the student pilot analogy.

There is another regulation which covers who can *act* as PIC
under IFR, but it says nothing about logging the time.

Now, I will admit that to the uninitiated, this distinction between
*acting* as PIC vs *logging* PIC seems a bit bizarre. However,
to this I reply with DH's words: "these are Federal Regulations.
You're expecting them to make sense. That's your mistake. That's
where you're going wrong."

However, as someone pointed out, my post really was more about correcting
logbook errors.


FWIW:
I correct logbook entry errors the same way I correct my laboratory
notebook at work. Whiteout is verboten. I cross out the errant numbers
with a single ink line, initial and date above the line. I either
write in the correct number next to it, or write something like "see
entry XXX dated xx-xx-xxxx for correction".

HTH,
Sydney