I fully agree, Mike.

Yes, I know Mx some time and I know he loves to troll. But for some reason
this time I had to react. Fine, so he's had his share of fun for what that's
worth...

Cheers,

Loek

"Scien" schreef in bericht
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On Feb 9, 1:54 pm, "Loek" wrote:
Dear Mx,

I just cannot agree with you. You're reasoning is a little too easy and I
get the impression it only serves the purpose of finger pointing an
already
very dead person. (At least I think he is?) His family will be quite happy
with you. Again: you and I were not there so we can not and do not know
what
happened exactly. Wild guesses are of no use at all but a healthy
discussion
about possible causes is something different and even useful in a group
like
this. Leave it to the very experienced and evenly qualified NTSB to find
the
root cause of this tragic accident so we all can learn from it. And then
we
can take measures to prevent an accident like this from happening again in
the future.

Cheers,

Loek

"Mxsmanic" schreef in
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Loek writes:

I'm not saying you are wrong, just that you can not know what really
happened except making "wild" guesses. For the same reason a bar in the
cockpit may have obstructed the view at the critical moment. (I don't
know
the cirrus!) Or was their attention drawn away for some yet unknown
reason.
Go ahead and find some other less logical reasons. There is lots of
them.

True, there are jillions of potential reasons for the accident other
than
simple pilot error. But pilot error looms large in accident statistics,
and in
this case it's hard to imagine any other plausible explanation.

Even if something obstructed the pilot's view momentarily or his
attention
was
drawn elsewhere, it's still his fault, as he should have sufficient
situational awareness to know of the other aircraft without having to
depend
on a fraction of a second of perception. What about radio calls? What
about
traffic patterns? There are multiple ways in which he should have become
aware
of the other aircraft.

Unless the surviving pilot and passengers from the glider can shed some
insight into this accident, we may never know what actually happened,
but
I
don't think it's unreasonable to assume pilot error until proven
otherwise.

There's also the eerie coincidence of there being at least one other
accident
with a Cirrus that happened pretty much exactly the same way, except
that
there were survivors.

Mx is intentionally trolling you. It is likely he doesn't even
believe half the things he says, he just knows it will prompt people
into argument with him, where he will claim to misunderstand your
views, and come up with hasty conclusions to prompt you guys to
continue the argument. He has done it time and time again. It is
best to just ignore him, although few actually do.

Most folks here are correct as usual. No one knows for sure what
happened, and the investigation isn't complete. It really doesn't
matter who is legally at fault, anyone involved in the accident could
have likely made moves to prevent it. The lesson as usual is to try
and be more aware of your surroundings. It doesn't matter if it was
pilot error or not. It doesn't matter who had the right of way. Only
that constant vigilance can help prevent you from being in the same
positions as any of these poor folks.

Also, I am not trying to be callous here. My thoughts go out to the
people affected by this accident. The above is just trying to say
that there is something to learn or a reminder here for the people
left behind. Finger pointing helps no one.

Regards,
Mike