John,

With the Tost winches we use at Lasham, the pilot has
no control over the speed, unlike the torque or tension
controlled Supacat or MEL winches. Nethertheless he
is still expected to monitor the airspeed, especially
during the safety climb, and not to initiate the rotation
until it is adequate. After that we expect him to hold
a steady attitude and allow the winch driver to control
the speed and power. If the airspeed gets too high
the pilot signals to the winch driver by waggling the
tail with the rudder. If it gets too slow, he lowers
the nose slightly to reduce the risk of stalling and
also to signal to the driver that more power is required.
The pilot could also of course be a she.

The original question from Dan G was what do we teach
at Lasham, where we have very powerful winches (as
does his own club). You may have to climb more gently
with less powerful winches. The point you make is a
good one.

Del Copeland

At 10:54 01 December 2007, John Smith wrote:
Del C wrote:

At Lasham for the K21 we teach holding the stick about
two-thirds of the way forward for the ground run and
safety climb and then easing back to give the correct
climb angle with the wingtips about 45 degrees to
the
....

I consider this mechanical approach completely wrong.

On the ground run, use the stick as needed to keep
the glider on the
ground. (This may or may not be 2/3 forward.) (Personally,
I start with
the stick fully forward and then ease it slowly back
until the glider
begins to fly. I have no idea at which stick position
this happens.)

On initial climb, use the stick as needed to do a smooth
transition, and
watch your speed.

On climb, use the stick as needed to keep your target
speed. (If this
means neutral or at the back stop, so be it.)

Your target speed dictates the climb angle, and this
may or may not be
45 dgrees, depending on the winch and the glider and
probably a lot of
other things.

If you teach a mechanical apporach, then you are going
to be in big
trouble if sometimes you happen to fly at a different
location.