There's a BIG difference between 45 and 60 degree banked
turns - which is why I practice 60 degree turns, makes 45 deg
turns seem a piece of cake. You need LOTS of pull on the yoke.
Start pulling at 30, and start to pull a lot harder at 45. In my
182 it takes two hands to hold the plane level through 360 deg,
unless you retrim (which I prefer not to, although this is a matter
of taste). If the nose starts to drop, take out some of the bank
AS WELL AS pulling back.

John


"Marc Lattoni" wrote in message
news:aJQ3c.73545$Ff2.46917@clgrps12...
I found a new rental opportunity at CYBW (Springbank, Alberta) with a
brand
new 172SP the other day and today went out for a Mountain check ride with
the chief CFI.

Now, I did two mountain courses over the past 18 months - one with my
original training outfit and one with the local flying club. All well.
Ridge
approaches, choosing the right side of the valley, updrafts, downdrafts,
lenticular clouds, rotors, 45 degrees turns, etc.

Today we did canyon turns, not at 30, not at 45 but more than 45 degrees.
Sort of standing the airplane on its wingtip as we turn.

YIKES. I just could not get it all together. What a mess. Any more of a
mess and it would have been a real mess, the kind you need soap and Lysol
for. So, no more mountain flying until I can get this right.

Anyways folks, any suggestions? I am going to try to get this right
another
day.

Marc