On Jun 7, 1:49*am, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
"eatfastnoodle" wrote in message


cheers....Jeff
You are too ideological,

Am I indeed ?

Yes, since you look at this problem solely through the perspective of
a westerner. You are talking about Chinese, billions of average zhangs
or wangs living and working in China their whole lives, not the kind
of Chinese you usually met in Canada or the US (even they don't tell
you what they really think, trust me)

as long as the Communists do a reasonable
good job,

Collapsing schools send a horrible message to the masses.
Define *reasonable job*.

Not really a big deal, again, don't just read news on New York Time.
Talk to Chinese, average Chinese. I personally feel jobs done by
propaganda department of Communist Party this time isn't as tacky as
before, still, it's way way way over the top. Nevertheless, if you
talk to real CHINESE, you will know Chinese government's response to
the earthquake won them big praise and greatly increased their
popularity.


its hold on power, Chinese people, whatever, will be just fine.

Without *freedom* how would we ever know ?

Well, you first need to learn to accept not all people think "freedom"
is the most important thing. Plus, as far as I know, most Chinese
believe they have ample freedom already. (personal freedom, not
political freedom to be sure, but most people simply don't give a damn
about which party is in power)


You may not know that it's much more likely for a Chinese to be
pro-government and anti-West after he/she is exposed to freedom of
expression.

Quite possible and if you are so sure of the Chinese people's preference for
the one-party Communist system, then it should be relatively easy to
determine if democracy is *more to their taste .

Should it not ?

*cheers....Jeff

They don't prefer Communist System, they just don't give a damn what
the system is as long as they make good money and they marry hot
girls. Is it that hard to understand?
Sure, if Democracy could give them more money and better lives, I'm
sure they will choose Democracy in a heartbeat. But beside Democracies
in Western Europe and North America (most of these countries because
rich and powerful when they weren't exactly the best example of
freedom and democracy), there aren't many success stories for
Democracy, on the other hand, there are plenty of screw-ups, right?
The much promoted (by US media at least, I don't know about what
Canadian media says)Indian economic miracle is seen as a joke by
Chinese, especially by those who have traveled to India. If you had
gone to the two countries, you would know comparing to an average
Chinese city, India's best and most beautiful city is a dirty dump.
If you want to promote democracy, at the very least, you should give
your audience a success story, Chinese people so far haven't seen a
success story.

BTW, there is also a "our *******" factor. In the mind of Chinese
people, Democracy may or may not be good, but the people who simply
can not shut up about how China should adopt democracy most definitely
have ulterior motives. Western Democracy preachers, if they really
want to promote Democracy in China, the best they could do is to shut
the hell up and just let Chinese history run its own course. They are
like Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the more they talk, the more damage they
will do to their cause.