More Panel computers.....

This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

At 05:20 16 September 2009, wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

Well spotted, however I think 1.2amps at 5v might be a bit high. I do like
the idea of fitting the wifi aerial and getting live satellite feeds and
cockpit to cockpit comms for team flying though!

Jim

On Sep 15, 10:45*pm, Jim White wrote:
At 05:20 16 September 2009, wrote:This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

Well spotted, however I think 1.2amps at 5v might be a bit high. I do like
the idea of fitting the wifi aerial and getting live satellite feeds and
cockpit to cockpit comms for team flying though!

Jim

Er... doesnt that equate to .5amps at 12V?

Er... doesnt that equate to .5amps at 12V?

Only if the device that provides the 5V from the 12V glider battery is
100% efficient........

On Sep 15, 10:20*pm, "
wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

It has 400 cd/m^2 brightness - 1/4 the max brightness of the Craggy
Ultimate, 1/3 of the ClearNav. Not clear if that's adequate. The only
reference I could find suggests you need 1000 cd/m^2 to be readable in
direct sunlight.

9B

Let's throw another one into this mix.

I have one of these which I use for flying my Warrior:
http://www.aviationsafety.com/flight_cheetahfl190.html
It's based on this Samsung Display:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/o...ype=prd_detail
Samsung doesn't list a display brightness on the specs page, but having
used it numerous times in the air, I've never seen screen brightness to
be a problem. But with all these devices which have been lately pointed
out here, how do you fit the thing into a glider cockpit?

But what I actually fly with is a Nokia 500 PNA, which I bought off eBay
for $110. I unlocked it and loaded XCSoar on it, along with a whole
group of software called MioPocket. And, it still has all its original
PNA functionality. Yes, screen brightness is a slight problem, but I
can live with it as is.

Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

I agree Ed,

I think the pace of development on XCSoar, its features,
functionality, platforms and the direct user input and support has
surpassed many, if not all of the Commercially available software for
Moving Map Soaring/Flying Software.

I think that anyone in the business would be remiss in not suggesting
XCSoar as
a good solution for the hardware they sell.

Frankly, I think you will sell a lot more Hardware for the under $300
solutions than the
over $1500 solutions for Aviation branded hardware versions with
virtually the identical functionality.

I hope Paul see this logic and adds XCSoar to his reviews and
suggested solutions so that
folks at any income level can enjoy the benefits this technology
offers.

At the very least it will allow you to participate in the OLC for much
less than a dedicated logger.

Ray


On Sep 16, 4:53*am, Ed Winchester wrote:
Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. *You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. *I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. *I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. *I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

Hi Ed,

You are correct to a certain extent. I don't know much about XCSoar because
I don't sell it. Since it's free I can't sell it. I'm not trying to avoid
it or push only products I can sell, but there is no motivation for me to
spend my time trying to figure it out. Every time I've gone to the XCSoar
web site I have been unable to find clear information that would help me
install it on my PDA or PNA. I'm a pretty technical person and the web site
is not intuitive to me.

It if was easy to install then maybe I would include it in my newsletter,
but my impression is that it is not easy to install and therefore mainly for
high tech glider pilots that can work their way through the installation,
etc.

I'm glad that some glider pilots like it. That is fine. More power to
them. I'm not getting rich selling soaring software. However, I am
sincerely a fan of the soaring software I sell and support. I think it is
great and worth every penny. Some glider pilots will choose to buy SeeYou
Mobile, Glide Navigator II or pocket*StrePla and some will choose the free
software.

On the other hand, I do a lot of paid support for Glide Navigator II and
SeeYou Mobile customers. They seem to appreciate that I can walk them
through installing the using the software. I suppose I could get paid to do
the same for XCSoar. Perhaps I just need to dig into it and get familiar
with it so I can support it. But so far my attempts to get to know it have
ended in frustration. I hear it is neat software, but the level of effort
required doesn't seem worth it to me. Of course, once I got over the
initial hurdles I imagine I would find it less difficult than I anticipated.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

"Ed Winchester" wrote in message
...
Let's throw another one into this mix.

I have one of these which I use for flying my Warrior:
http://www.aviationsafety.com/flight_cheetahfl190.html
It's based on this Samsung Display:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/o...ype=prd_detail
Samsung doesn't list a display brightness on the specs page, but having
used it numerous times in the air, I've never seen screen brightness to be
a problem. But with all these devices which have been lately pointed out
here, how do you fit the thing into a glider cockpit?

But what I actually fly with is a Nokia 500 PNA, which I bought off eBay
for $110. I unlocked it and loaded XCSoar on it, along with a whole group
of software called MioPocket. And, it still has all its original PNA
functionality. Yes, screen brightness is a slight problem, but I can live
with it as is.

Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar as
software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products that
make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

wrote:
This one was pointed out to me and at $425 looks like it will give us
what we need.....

http://www.wdlsystems.com/downloads/specs/1EPDX5U_s.pdf

Cheers

Al

Hi Ray,

I agree that low cost hardware platforms are great.

But to me, the $248 for SeeYou Mobile, or $95 for Glide Navigator II, is
worth every penny. Going "free" on software can be expensive in regard to
time spent setting it up, having issues before or during flight, etc. To a
certain extent, you do "get what you pay for". Especially since I work very
hard supporting SeeYou Mobile and Glide Navigator II. Also, Andrej at
SeeYou does a fantastic job supporting SeeYou users.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.


"jb92563" wrote in message
...
I agree Ed,

I think the pace of development on XCSoar, its features,
functionality, platforms and the direct user input and support has
surpassed many, if not all of the Commercially available software for
Moving Map Soaring/Flying Software.

I think that anyone in the business would be remiss in not suggesting
XCSoar as
a good solution for the hardware they sell.

Frankly, I think you will sell a lot more Hardware for the under $300
solutions than the
over $1500 solutions for Aviation branded hardware versions with
virtually the identical functionality.

I hope Paul see this logic and adds XCSoar to his reviews and
suggested solutions so that
folks at any income level can enjoy the benefits this technology
offers.

At the very least it will allow you to participate in the OLC for much
less than a dedicated logger.

Ray


On Sep 16, 4:53 am, Ed Winchester wrote:
Actually, some of the stuff I've seen written lately is upsetting me a
bit. You have nice, informative articles by Mr. Remde in Gliding
International, and maybe even in Soaring, but they don't mention XCSoar
as software to use. I've been using it for more than a year and can't
imagine something else I'd want it to do. I also own PocketStrepla
running on an Axim X51v which is no better, if as good. I'm sure Paul's
(and other writer's) writing is biased by trying to sell the products
that make him a living, and he gets nothing from XCSoar.

Ed

Hi Paul, while you cannot sell the software directly, I believe you
could legally sell a kit including PDA, GPS, etc, and include a CD
with the software along with setup and configuration instructions as
part of the kit. You just make it clear that you are not selling the
software itself, only providing it with the PDA as a convenience, and
that it can be downloaded from (site) for free.

As a software developer myself, I'm sure that contacting the
developers to ask about the licensing agreement would open up plenty
of opportunities to profit from the product indirectly.

A good example here is Linux, a free open source unix based operating
system which is currently included in plenty of commercial electronics
products and computers. Even the linux distributions themselves
(RedHat, Ubuntu, etc) are commercial products (the support and
packaging) assembled from a free GNU product, thus they are selling
their installation tool, packaging and support for free software.

Many people will choose to buy an entire package ready to go with
instructions over locating and assembling hopefully compatible devices
themselves and struggling through the learning curve. Interestingly
enough, my confusion over which devices and software are required to
run XCSOAR is how I ended up in this thread today in the first place.

Tom