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I thought you might all find this story interesting.
Me, I'm 53 and have been flying since 1988 with about 1000 hrs. My partner is a CFI and we've been in a Cherokee 140 partnership for about 12 years. We have a 1974 Cherokee Cruiser, which we normally keep well maintained (!). About a week ago my partner and I decided to fly after work. We are still breaking in a new cylinder so we thought we'd fly local here in Southern California. I flew left seat and we took off from Camarillo and flew around Malibu, then I flew over to Santa Paula for a landing. We had agreed we wanted to fly about 1.5 hrs, so as I was landing at Santa Paula I was at about 45 minutes. After I landed I asked my partner if he wanted to switch sides, but he said no, he'd fly from the right side. We taxied back and he took off. At about 1500'agl he tapped me on the shoulder (I was looking outside for traffic). He said "we have a problem". There had been no apparent change in the flight so I thought he might be joking. He pointed down at the throttle and he was moving it full to idle and back, but it had no effect! We were still at full throttle and obviously we had a broken cable or something similar. So your mind goes rapidly over the situation. How bad is this? What are the challenges? What are the options? We had a brief discussion and I mentioned that although this didn't seem real bad, we had some risks and I had read so many stories of pilots being reluctant to declare an emergency. We were only about 5 miles from Camarillo, our home airport which has a 5000' runway. We discussed and within about 20 seconds agreed that I would fly the plane since I was left seat, he would handle radio, and we would declare and emergency since we did not have throttle control. We had decided that I would try to modulate power with the mixture, but if necessary I could fly over the the airport and then just kill the engine and we would glide down. The weather was very clear and it was just about dusk. My partner called Camarillo tower, reported our position (about 5 miles out) and indicated we had a throttle problem and we needed to declare and emergency. The tower immediately cleared us to land on runway 8 and cleared out one other plane in the pattern. The runway in use was 26 but it was calm and rwy 8 was the closer approach. I was at about 1700' and full power; I leveled off and flew at about yellow line toward the airport. As I got closer I started a dive to lose altitude and flew fast; I had not yet adjusted the mixture. I realized that I was going to be quite high - I was on a 1 mile base so I began to pull the mixture back and the engine roughened as it slowed down some more. Still flying fast, I descended. I realized I was still pretty high so I overshot the centerline a bit before turning to about a ..5 mile final to lose some more altitude. I leaned the mixture more aggressively and the engine ran really rough with some backfiring. As we came in a bit high on final and I knew the runway was assured I asked my partner for flaps. I leaned more aggressively and the engine was really choking now. As we came over the threshold a bit high I told my partner I was going to kill the engine. I didn't want to be trying to modulate a full throttle enging with mixture once I was on the runway. About 20 feet or so I pulled to idle cutoff and it was weird to see a prop stopped as I flared for a nice landing. I rolled out and used residual speed to pull off on a turnoff and coast to a stop. Airport security showed up and the guy didn't quite know what to do. We told him we just needed a tow into our tiedown spot. He took our names and certificate numbers and a brief statement of what had happened. In discussion with my partner, we felt we did almost everything correctly. We did not panic, we did not hesitate to declare the emergency, we quickly agreed on roles and everything went smoothly. We never really felt scared about the situation (a power failure might have felt different!). When the situation first presented itself I thought about flying to over the airport and cutting power, but I felt it would be better not to have a guaranteed engine failure. We both felt this was the less-risky way to handle the situation. We sort of stood there saying to ourselves "we can't believe we just had an emergency!". It was the first one for both of us in more than 20 years of flying each. The plane is in the shop to get its cable replaced, apparently it broke somewhere between the throttle quadrant and the carburetor, not at either end. Event Horizon |
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On 08 Sep 2009 05:28:07 GMT, EventHorizon wrote in
0: I thought you might all find this story interesting. ... Very interesting! Thanks for sharing it. Marty -- Big-8 newsgroups: humanities.*, misc.*, news.*, rec.*, sci.*, soc.*, talk.* See http://www.big-8.org for info on how to add or remove newsgroups. |
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On Sep 8, 1:28*am, EventHorizon wrote:
I thought you might all find this story interesting. Me, I'm 53 and have been flying since 1988 with about 1000 hrs. My partner is a CFI and we've been in a Cherokee 140 partnership for about 12 years. We have a 1974 Cherokee Cruiser, which we normally keep well maintained (!). About a week ago my partner and I decided to fly after work. We are still breaking in a new cylinder so we thought we'd fly local here in Southern California. I flew left seat and we took off from Camarillo and flew around Malibu, then I flew over to Santa Paula for a landing. We had agreed we wanted to fly about 1.5 hrs, so as I was landing at Santa Paula I was at about 45 minutes. After I landed I asked my partner if he wanted to switch sides, but he said no, he'd fly from the right side. We taxied back and he took off. At about 1500'agl he tapped me on the shoulder (I was looking outside for traffic). He said "we have a problem". There had been no apparent change in the flight so I thought he might be joking. He pointed down at the throttle and he was moving it full to idle and back, but it had no effect! We were still at full throttle and obviously we had a broken cable or something similar. So your mind goes rapidly over the situation. How bad is this? What are the challenges? What are the options? We had a brief discussion and I mentioned that although this didn't seem real bad, we had some risks and I had read so many stories of pilots being reluctant to declare an emergency. We were only about 5 miles from Camarillo, our home airport which has a 5000' runway. We discussed and within about 20 seconds agreed that I would fly the plane since I was left seat, he would handle radio, and we would declare and emergency since we did not have throttle control. We had decided that I would try to modulate power with the mixture, but if necessary I could fly over the the airport and then just kill the engine and we would glide down. The weather was very clear and it was just about dusk. My partner called Camarillo tower, reported our position (about 5 miles out) and indicated we had a throttle problem and we needed to declare and emergency. The tower immediately cleared us to land on runway 8 and cleared out one other plane in the pattern. The runway in use was 26 but it was calm and rwy 8 was the closer approach. I was at about 1700' and full power; I leveled off and flew at about yellow line toward the airport. As I got closer I started a dive to lose altitude and flew fast; I had not yet adjusted the mixture. I realized that I was going to be quite high - I was on a 1 mile base so I began to pull the mixture back and the engine roughened as it slowed down some more. Still flying fast, I descended. I realized I was still pretty high so I overshot the centerline a bit before turning to about a .5 mile final to lose some more altitude. I leaned the mixture more aggressively and the engine ran really rough with some backfiring. As we came in a bit high on final and I knew the runway was assured I asked my partner for flaps. I leaned more aggressively and the engine was really choking now. As we came over the threshold a bit high I told my partner I was going to kill the engine. I didn't want to be trying to modulate a full throttle enging with mixture once I was on the runway. About 20 feet or so I pulled to idle cutoff and it was weird to see a prop stopped as I flared for a nice landing. I rolled out and used residual speed to pull off on a turnoff and coast to a stop. Airport security showed up and the guy didn't quite know what to do. We told him we just needed a tow into our tiedown spot. He took our names and certificate numbers and a brief statement of what had happened. In discussion with my partner, we felt we did almost everything correctly. We did not panic, we did not hesitate to declare the emergency, we quickly agreed on roles and everything went smoothly. We never really felt scared about the situation (a power failure might have felt different!). When the situation first presented itself I thought about flying to over the airport and cutting power, but I felt it would be better not to have a guaranteed engine failure. We both felt this was the less-risky way to handle the situation. We sort of stood there saying to ourselves "we can't believe we just had an emergency!". It was the first one for both of us in more than 20 years of flying each. The plane is in the shop to get its cable replaced, apparently it broke somewhere between the throttle quadrant and the carburetor, not at either end. Event Horizon I remember watching WW1 airplanes flying at Old Rhinbeck (sp?) airport in NY. Those had two engine settings -- full on or off, and power was controlled by what an electical engineer might call pulse width modulation -- switch the mags on and off as needed. I have no idea how that would work in today's engines, but my instinct would have been to reach for mags, not mixture. Your way worked, I'll remember that. |
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EventHorizon wrote: In discussion with my partner, we felt we did almost everything correctly. We did not panic, we did not hesitate to declare the emergency, we quickly agreed on roles and everything went smoothly. We never really felt scared about the situation (a power failure might have felt different!). When the situation first presented itself I thought about flying to over the airport and cutting power, but I felt it would be better not to have a guaranteed engine failure. We both felt this was the less-risky way to handle the situation. We sort of stood there saying to ourselves "we can't believe we just had an emergency!". It was the first one for both of us in more than 20 years of flying each. Great writeup! I agree, from your story it sounds like you did everything perfectly. You stayed calm, used good CRM, looked at your options, and properly executed the best one. Can't get better than that. Thanks very much for posting. I hope that if/when I have a true in-flight emergency I can do as well. -- Mike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon |
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On Sep 8, 5:28*pm, EventHorizon wrote:
I thought you might all find this story interesting. My hat is off to you. You obeyed the one commandment that was pounded into my head. 1) Fly the aeroplane 2) Deal with the emergency 3) go to 1 |
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EventHorizon wrote:
/snip/ At about 1500'agl he tapped me on the shoulder (I was looking outside for traffic). He said "we have a problem"./snip/ About 20 feet or so I pulled to idle cutoff and it was weird to see a prop stopped as I flared for a nice landing. I rolled out and used residual speed to pull off on a turnoff and coast to a stop. /snip/ The plane is in the shop to get its cable replaced, apparently it broke somewhere between the throttle quadrant and the carburetor, not at either end. Event Horizon As described, this reads like a Happy Ending. There's one element that is very troubling: the cable break in the middle. I am supposing that the bowden has triple internal helical wires as low friction standoffs - and that repeated motion against a wire cut the cable. That shouldn't happen.... Brian W |
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/snip/ I remember watching WW1 airplanes flying at Old Rhinbeck (sp?) airport in NY. Those had two engine settings -- full on or off, and power was controlled by what an electical engineer might call pulse width modulation -- switch the mags on and off as needed. I have no idea how that would work in today's engines, but my instinct would have been to reach for mags, not mixture. Your way worked, I'll remember that. Those rotaries had very short, very stout crankshafts, as you might expect - the whole engine mass was spinning on them. But it was hard on the crank. Now cranks are long and (comparatively) slender - and the shock load is not what you'd want to put on the crank if you can avoid it. That mixture control idea is a softer option, no doubt. Brian W |
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![]() "brian whatcott" wrote There's one element that is very troubling: the cable break in the middle. I am supposing that the bowden has triple internal helical wires as low friction standoffs - and that repeated motion against a wire cut the cable. That shouldn't happen.... Unless the run is perfectly straight, any bend will flex the internal cable each time it moves. Metal fatigue still happens, given enough time. -- Jim in NC |
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There have been a lot of other interesting ideas my post generated:
1 - switch to one mag 2 - carb heat 3 - pulse mags on/off (but if prop stops windmilling you'll need to restart, not good) 4 - mixture (which is what we did) Any engine experts have a recommendation on which approach would be best? Or a combination? Event Horizon a wrote in news:a0945182-fc81-4f28-81f3- : I remember watching WW1 airplanes flying at Old Rhinbeck (sp?) airport in NY. Those had two engine settings -- full on or off, and power was controlled by what an electical engineer might call pulse width modulation -- switch the mags on and off as needed. I have no idea how that would work in today's engines, but my instinct would have been to reach for mags, not mixture. Your way worked, I'll remember that. |
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A call from our mechanic today said that the break was near where the cable
exits the firewall into the engine compartment. The cable is apparently sheathed the entire distance, so it was not easy to see. He said that it looked as if a few strands had broken and had "bent back" and therefore created more friction and binding. We never noticed it in actual use until the break occurred. Event Horizon "Morgans" wrote in : "brian whatcott" wrote There's one element that is very troubling: the cable break in the middle. I am supposing that the bowden has triple internal helical wires as low friction standoffs - and that repeated motion against a wire cut the cable. That shouldn't happen.... Unless the run is perfectly straight, any bend will flex the internal cable each time it moves. Metal fatigue still happens, given enough time. |
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