Russia Threatens to Strike Terror Bases

This article seems to indicate that the US State Dept. is pressing a policy of
negotiations with the Chechnyan rebels. Ummmm...calling Colin Powell: Get a
clue!! There is no reason to negotiate with the murderers of school children.

I'm with Putin. Fire up the bombers and wipe the criminals out.

And while we're at it Vladamir, it might be time to reconsider that nuclear
reactor that you are building for the Iranians. The whole purpose is merely to
give the Iranians a reason to have a nuclear enrichment program so they can
make nuclear bombs under the guise of making reactor fuel. The Israelis are
going to attack it if something isn't done before the process comes online. And
seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with nukes,
do they?
Dave

MOSCOW (Sept. 8) - Russia's top general threatened on Wednesday to strike
terrorists "in any region of the world," and the Kremlin offered a $10 million
reward for information leading to the killing or capture of Chechnya's top
rebel leaders.

Russian officials also expressed growing anger with critics of the Kremlin's
policy in Chechnya and criticized the United States for its willingness to hold
talks with Chechen separatists.

The announcements marked a show of resolve aimed at Russia's stunned citizens,
as well as Western countries President Vladimir Putin accuses of hindering its
fight against terror, in the wake of three attacks that killed more than 400
people in the past two weeks.

In a nationally televised meeting, Prosecutor-General Vladimir Ustinov also
briefed Putin on the investigation into the taking of more than 1,200 hostages
in a school last week in the southern town of Beslan.

His was the first official acknowledgment that the number of hostages had been
so high; the government initially said about 350 people were seized. A regional
official later said the number had been 1,181.

Col.-Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky, chief of the general staff of Russia's armed forces,
asserted Russia's right to strike terrorists beyond its borders.

"As for carrying out preventive strikes against terrorist bases ... we will
take all measures to liquidate terrorist bases in any region of the world," he
told reporters.

Baluyevsky made his comments alongside NATO's supreme allied commander in
Europe, Gen. James Jones, after talks on Russia-NATO military cooperation,
including anti-terror efforts.

European Union officials reacted cautiously to Baluyevsky's statements, with
spokeswoman Emma Udwin saying she could not be sure whether they represented
government policy. Udwin said the 25-nation EU is against "extra-judicial
killings" in form of pre-emptive strikes.

Russian leaders have previously claimed the right to attack terrorists beyond
the country's borders - tacitly threatening neighboring Georgia that Moscow
would pursue Chechen rebels allegedly sheltering on its territory. Two Russian
agents were convicted this year for the February car bombing in Qatar that
killed a Chechen rebel leader, Zelimkhan Yandarbiyev. Russia denied involvement
in the assassination.

The Bush administration also has a policy of pre-emptive military action
against terrorists.

NATO officials declined comment. The alliance released a statement with Russia
stressing both sides' "determination to strengthen and intensify common efforts
to fight the scourge of terrorism."

Nationalist lawmaker Dmitry Rogozin told Ekho Moskvy radio the warning appeared
to be an effort to ease fears of terrorism in Russia following the crashes of
two planes after explosions, a Moscow suicide bombing and the school seizure.

Anger over the school attack simmered in North Ossetia, the southern Russian
region bordering Chechnya mourning the deaths of hundreds of children, parents
and teachers.

Regional President Alexander Dzasokhov promised a furious crowd of 1,000 that
the local government would step down within two days and said he would follow
suit if he could not fulfill the protesters' demands for an independent inquiry
- the first sign of officials being punished for failing to prevent the attack.

Russia's Federal Security Service offered a reward of $10 million - its biggest
bounty ever - for information that could help "neutralize" Chechen rebel
leaders Shamil Basayev and Aslan Maskhadov, whom officials have accused of
masterminding last week's hostage crisis.

The agency said Basayev and Maskhadov have been responsible for "inhuman
terrorist acts on the territory of the Russian Federation."

Maskhadov, the former president of Chechnya, had denied any involvement in the
school standoff, according to aides. There has been no word from Basayev, a
longtime rebel warlord who had claimed involvement in bloody raids and
hostage-takings in the past.

Basayev is believed to be hiding in Chechnya; Russian officials have sometimes
reported that Maskhadov has left the country.

Ustinov said 326 hostages were killed and 727 wounded in the school attack,
which ended Friday in a wave of explosions and gunfire. North Ossetian Deputy
Health Minister Teimuraz Revazov later said 329 were confirmed dead.

Ustinov said 210 bodies had been identified, and forensic workers also were
trying to identify 32 body fragments.

His deputy, Sergei Fridinsky, said the bodies of 12 attackers had been
identified and that some had taken part in a deadly June attack in the
neighboring republic of Ingushetia, the Interfax news agency reported.

The authorities appeared to be backpedaling from their previous insistence on
describing the attack as the work of international terrorists. At a meeting
with visiting Western journalists and analysts Monday, Putin repeated
investigators' allegations that 10 of the attackers were of Arab descent and
denied that the hostage-taking was linked to Russia's policy in Chechnya.

However, Ustinov said nothing about Arabs in his briefing. Asked about the
silence, a Kremlin spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, told The Associated Press that
forensic experts were working to identify the terrorists "and until that work
is finished, it's impossible to tell."

"According to preliminary data, there were Arabs," he said. "No one is denying
the presence of Arabs."

Fridinsky also appeared to contradict Putin by saying the attackers' demands
were tied to the war in Chechnya.

"The demands concerned chiefly political motives and were related to the
anti-terrorist operation," he said, according to Interfax, using the
formulation Russian authorities use instead of war.

The global issue of terrorism drew Russia closer to the United States and other
Western nations following the Sept. 11 attacks, when Putin expressed support
for U.S. anti-terror efforts.

But since the attack in Beslan, Putin and other top officials have turned up
the volume on their accusations that Western nations apply double standards and
hinder Russia's fight against terrorism by questioning its policy in Chechnya.

Responding to a statement by State Department spokesman Richard Boucher,
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Wednesday that "we solve our internal
problems ourselves and there's no need to search for an American route to
political normalization in Chechnya," Interfax reported.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko also lashed out at the United
States, saying talks with Chechens linked to rebel leaders are "absolutely
unacceptable."

"After all, we are talking about those individuals who stand behind bloody
attacks by terrorists in Russia, which have drawn the indignation of the entire
civilized word," Yakovenko said in a statement.

While joining condemnation of the school attack, the State Department said
Tuesday that Moscow ultimately must hold political talks with rebellious
Chechen leaders.

Wednesday's TV broadcast of Ustinov's briefing was the first attempt by the
government to give a formal account of the tragedy. The prosecutor said his
information was based on interviews with witnesses and the one alleged
attacker.

Ustinov said the approximately 30 attackers, including two women, had met in a
forest early Sept. 1 before heading to School No. 1 in Beslan in a truck and
two jeeps packed with weapons and ammunition.

People who had gathered to mark the first day of school were herded into the
gym by the militants, some of whom voiced objections to seizing a school.
Detainee Nur-Pashi Kulayev said the group's leader, who went by the name
Colonel, shot one of the militants and said he would do the same to any other
militants or hostages who did not show "unconditional obedience."

Later that day, he detonated the explosives worn by two female attackers,
killing them to enforce the lesson, Ustinov said.

One of the militants was stationed with his foot on a button that would set off
the explosives, Ustinov said; if he lifted his foot, the bombs strung up around
the school gymnasium would detonate, he said.

On Friday, the militants decided to change the arrangement of the explosives,
and they appear to have set off one bomb by mistake, Ustinov said. That sparked
panic as hostages tried to flee and the attackers opened fire.

09/08/04 19:27 EDT

seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but
they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos
who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize
their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop
Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

What nonsense!

John

From: (Denyav)


Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists, but
they are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

Putin doesn't seriously believe that the US is allied with Al-Qaeda in any way,
shape, or form.....does he? That is a paranoid delusion.

Maybe you didn't see the news of the 9-11 attacks. We are looking to kill Osama
bin Laden. Al-Qaeda and it affiliated groups are as much the enemies of the US
as they are the enemies of Russia. We have a common enemy and should cooperate
in its destruction.

I am appalled that our (the US) state department is apparently so far behind
the learning curve that it thinks negotiations with terrorists are some type of
acceptable solution.
Dave

What nonsense!


1)Al-Queda is a Proxy of US.period.
2)The role of Al-Queda in Russia is to destabilize Russia and pave way for the
resurrection of Brzezinkis long dead "Eurasia" plan.
3)US is not an Anglo country,but is an Anglo dominated country.
4)If US were an Anglo country like England,Pearl Harbor and 9/11 would NOT
happen.


"as America becomes an increasingly multicultural society,it may find it more
diffucult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues,EXCEPT in the
circumstances of truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat"

Zbigniew Brzezinski 1997



Some minorities use Republican Guards some use PSYOPs and terrorists.

Putin doesn't seriously believe that the US is allied with Al-Qaeda in any
way,
shape, or form.....does he? That is a paranoid delusion.

Really?

Maybe you didn't see the news of the 9-11 attacks. We are looking to kill
Osama
bin Laden. Al-Qaeda and it affiliated groups are as much the enemies of the
US

Looks are always deceiving,and nothing is so simple.
Do you know how WWII started?
With the attack of Polish Army !.
But those polish attackers were actualy Germans in polish uniform and ALL of
them were killed during attack by Germans in German uniform.

they are the enemies of Russia. We have a common enemy and should cooperate
in its destruction.

Is it not interesting that Al-Quade that conducted 9/11 attacks and made the
occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan possible is now targeting countries that
OPPOSE US occupation of Iraq ?

This a typical PSYOP exactly designed to produce the results you mentioned.


I am appalled that our (the US) state department is apparently so far behind
the learning curve that it thinks negotiations with terrorists are some type
of
acceptable solution.
Dave

After Putin speech operation of Al-Queda terrorists inside Russia for purposes
of destablizing Russia will be very limited or totally eliminated.(unless
Anglos risk a nuclear exchange).
So instead of using terrorists for polirical goals,now more diplomatic and
globally acceptable methods will be used .

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
...
From: (Denyav)

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

Putin doesn't seriously believe that the US is allied with Al-Qaeda in any
way,
shape, or form.....does he? That is a paranoid delusion.


But then Denyav is delusional.

This is the fellow that claims the Nazis gave the americans the
atomic bomb remember.





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But then Denyav is delusional.

This is the fellow that claims the Nazis gave the americans the
atomic bomb remember.

How Mr.Alvares learned how to "clean up some wires" at the virtually last
minute or how US uran production spiked in June 45?

Big lies dont last for forever Mr.Willshaw,75 years is enough for such lies.

BTW do you really think Putin and other russians are so dumb to threaten OBL
and other Kalashnikow toting terrorists with nuclear tipped ICBMs?

Intended recipient of his message is not Kalashnikow toting terrorists but
their owners.

As I said before I admire Great Game playing skills of Brits but it seems that
the russians are now saying "no Great Game anymore or else" basically.
Looks like they have learned how to stop Anglo agression from Mr.Philby

From: "Keith Willshaw"
Date: 9/9/2004 4:35 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Dav1936531" wrote in message
...
From: (Denyav)

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

Putin doesn't seriously believe that the US is allied with Al-Qaeda in any
way,
shape, or form.....does he? That is a paranoid delusion.


But then Denyav is delusional.

This is the fellow that claims the Nazis gave the americans the
atomic bomb remember.

He also said the Nazis yested 2 atomic bombs and that the Russians had won in
Chechnya and all was quiet.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"John Mullen" wrote in message ...
"Denyav" wrote in message
...
seriously doubt that anyone in Russia proper wants Chechnyan rebels with
nukes,
do they?
Dave

Nuclear tipped ICBMs are not very suitable weapons aganist terrorists ,but
they
are excellent weapons to deter countries that use terrorists as proxies.
The recipients of Putins televised message is without any doubt are Anglos
who
use Al-Queda and other so called islamic terrorists as proxies to realize
their
domestic and foreign policy goals.

Putins message is only a lightly disguised way of saying to US "Stop
Al-Queda
terrorism inside Russia,or else".

If they are really serious,I am pretty sure that so called islamic
terrorism
will take a vacation in Russia.

What nonsense!

John

The US has a history of using islamic based insurgence as a wedge
against various European countries. The behaviour of the US during
the Yugoslave/Bosnian/Kosovo issues was highly pro-islamic, clearly
calculated to win favour in the middle east for the US oil interests
and zionist sympathies while snuffing out any possible rival post
eastern block alignments based on slavic ethniticities, orthodox
christianity. This was despite the fact that the former yugoslave
people were facing unprovoked terrorism, drug running, kidnapping and
murder in Kosovo. It was merely necessary to reframe sincere
anti-terrorism measures and the civil conflct as 'ethnic cleansing'
and 'genocide' (such crimes did occur but at a miniscule fraction of
the agit-prop propagandised rate and only AFTER NATO bombing reduced
the situation to disroder: the crimes also clearly weren't one sided)