Pirep Dayton OH

Went to the USAF Museum this past weekend in Dayton. GREAT place. LOTS of
aviation history in that place. Especially, the X planes and such. Also
has a "Presidential" hanger with most of the past Air Force One's.
(Columbine III, Independence, SAM 26000, etc).

Even walked into one hanger to see the XB-70 Valkyrie staring me down
(wicked looking plane). And among all the other planes, it was almost just
an afterthought ("oh yeah, there's the XB-70, too....ho hum").

If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

And best of all IT'S FREE!...thanks to the federal government.

Jeff

If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

How would you rate 'em? My rankings would be:

1. USAF Museum in Dayton
2. National Air & Space Museum in D.C.
3. SAC Museum in Omaha.

This will almost certainly change when the NASM puts more planes on display.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I've never been to Omaha, so I can't speak to it.

My favorite is/was the Garber facility (part of the NASM in DC). If you've
never been there, you have to take a bus (or taxi) at the back side of the
main NASM building. Its the warehouse that they store all of the stuff
that's not on the floor of the NASM. They also do all the restorations and
all there. Now with the new facility opening at the airport, I don't know
how much will be at the Garber site. The time I was there, they had
building after building of old airplanes just sitting around. Wasn't a
museum setup by any stretch. More like the "Aeromart" at OSH, but with full
planes and history to boot

As much as I'm glad to see them get these things out in the display area, it
will be a shame if the Garber buildings are emptied. It's really a aviation
lovers dream. You'd be walking along stepping around a pile of aluminum and
bump into the Enola Gay lol.

As for pure quality of the display planes, I'd put the EAA's up at the top.
The USAF and USN Museums seem to care less about the display quality of the
paint and such. Some of the planes look as if they were just pulled out of
the desert right before they were crushed....er..demilitarized.

Anyway, your question. Overall enjoyment of the museum from all aspects:

1. NASM, DC (if you let me include Garber)
2. USAF, Dayton
3. EAA, Oshkosh
4. USN, Pensacola

Again, it all depends on what you want to look at :0

Jeff



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:kKcsb.175666$e01.613975@attbi_s02...
If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

How would you rate 'em? My rankings would be:

1. USAF Museum in Dayton
2. National Air & Space Museum in D.C.
3. SAC Museum in Omaha.

This will almost certainly change when the NASM puts more planes on
display.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Anyone ever visit the museum at Hill AFB in Ogden? Saw it this summer -
much better than I would have thought. Not on the scale of Dayton or NASM,
but several large hangars, and quite a few birds weathering outside (pity).


"Jeff Franks" wrote in message
...
Went to the USAF Museum this past weekend in Dayton. GREAT place. LOTS of
aviation history in that place. Especially, the X planes and such. Also
has a "Presidential" hanger with most of the past Air Force One's.
(Columbine III, Independence, SAM 26000, etc).

Even walked into one hanger to see the XB-70 Valkyrie staring me down
(wicked looking plane). And among all the other planes, it was almost
just
an afterthought ("oh yeah, there's the XB-70, too....ho hum").

If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

And best of all IT'S FREE!...thanks to the federal government.

Jeff

Not an actual visit but got an approx. 10,000 MSL view as we were getting
ready to head through Webber canyon on our way to OSH. I actually didn't
realize it at the time as I was flying. Looking at trip pictures
afterwards, however, it was obvious that there was a decent museum there.
Hmmm, if we ever get stuck in Ogden and need to kill some time, we'll have
to make the trip to the base.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

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On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 at 14:01:19 in message
, Jeff Franks
wrote:
Went to the USAF Museum this past weekend in Dayton. GREAT place. LOTS of
aviation history in that place. Especially, the X planes and such. Also
has a "Presidential" hanger with most of the past Air Force One's.
(Columbine III, Independence, SAM 26000, etc).

Even walked into one hanger to see the XB-70 Valkyrie staring me down
(wicked looking plane). And among all the other planes, it was almost just
an afterthought ("oh yeah, there's the XB-70, too....ho hum").

If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

And best of all IT'S FREE!...thanks to the federal government.

I agree with all that! I have been there twice and I live in Bristol
England! Only one thing I would criticise is the rather poor food on
offer! A day is not really enough time to study everything.

A great experience.
--
David CL Francis

Agreed. If your like me - you like to read most everything and study each
exhibit, its definitely a 2 day musuem. We got through it in a day, but we
really didn't look at everything as close as I like.

And yes. The cafeteria food is....well....lacking. It will keep you from
starving to death, but thats about all I can say.



I agree with all that! I have been there twice and I live in Bristol
England! Only one thing I would criticise is the rather poor food on
offer! A day is not really enough time to study everything.

A great experience.
--
David CL Francis

Jeff

Add the Boeing one just north of Seattle. Lots of birds (many old
one's) and you walk around and are close enough to touch. I talked to
the group working on their F-104 and leaned on it as I told them some
War Stories they didn't know about The midgets and some early
operational problems the first 104 Sq at Hamilton AFB had.

On the USAF Museum at W/P, they also have a lot of memorabilia. For
example I sent them a copy of the only surviving copy of the the
Ashyia Song Book of Fighter Pilot Drinking Songs from the Pacific area
in WWII (dirty, dirty, dirty ) The one on the cover was "Don't burn
the S*** H**** down.....or we'll have to go (S***) on the floor" Theme
song of 8th Fighter Group. (P-51's). I have queried them at W/P on
numerous occasions and they were able or research and answer my
questions.

I just hope all the museums continue to obtain financing so they will
stay open for decades.

Big John


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:34:40 -0600, "Jeff Franks"
wrote:

I've never been to Omaha, so I can't speak to it.

My favorite is/was the Garber facility (part of the NASM in DC). If you've
never been there, you have to take a bus (or taxi) at the back side of the
main NASM building. Its the warehouse that they store all of the stuff
that's not on the floor of the NASM. They also do all the restorations and
all there. Now with the new facility opening at the airport, I don't know
how much will be at the Garber site. The time I was there, they had
building after building of old airplanes just sitting around. Wasn't a
museum setup by any stretch. More like the "Aeromart" at OSH, but with full
planes and history to boot

As much as I'm glad to see them get these things out in the display area, it
will be a shame if the Garber buildings are emptied. It's really a aviation
lovers dream. You'd be walking along stepping around a pile of aluminum and
bump into the Enola Gay lol.

As for pure quality of the display planes, I'd put the EAA's up at the top.
The USAF and USN Museums seem to care less about the display quality of the
paint and such. Some of the planes look as if they were just pulled out of
the desert right before they were crushed....er..demilitarized.

Anyway, your question. Overall enjoyment of the museum from all aspects:

1. NASM, DC (if you let me include Garber)
2. USAF, Dayton
3. EAA, Oshkosh
4. USN, Pensacola

Again, it all depends on what you want to look at :0

Jeff



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:kKcsb.175666$e01.613975@attbi_s02...
If your in the area be sure to get by there. I've been to lots of air
museum's and I'd put that one in the top 2 or 3.

How would you rate 'em? My rankings would be:

1. USAF Museum in Dayton
2. National Air & Space Museum in D.C.
3. SAC Museum in Omaha.

This will almost certainly change when the NASM puts more planes on
display.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:20:33 -0000, Paul Sengupta
wrote:

Are you going to Filton next Monday to watch Concorde arrive?

Anyone know if we can fly in there? I expect it would be very
popular and may have strict numbers...probably all booked by
now.

We're going to fly out of Enstone for the occation. Not to land at
Filton, but just to hang around in the overhead etc.



Paul

"David CL Francis" wrote in message
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I live in Bristol England!





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On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 at 10:47:57 in message
, B S D Chapman
wrote:
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:20:33 -0000, Paul Sengupta
wrote:

Are you going to Filton next Monday to watch Concorde arrive?

Anyone know if we can fly in there? I expect it would be very
popular and may have strict numbers...probably all booked by
now.

We're going to fly out of Enstone for the occation. Not to land at
Filton, but just to hang around in the overhead etc.

Sorry, I missed your post Paul and could not find it again. Depending on
the weather I hope to find a spot but the final flight pattern has not
been published. 3000 people have been invited to Filton but it is
probably not the best place to go without one. The A38 through Filton
will be closed during the approach and landing and there will be 'no
stopping' enforced.

There is some G.A. flying in Filton but most of it seems to be light
commercial twins. I am guessing but I think prior permission is probably
needed.

I was there at the first Concorde take off from Filton but I elected to
join a party listening to the radio link rather than watch.

I did get a ride later and did a write up of the 3.5 hour flight. I have
posted it before somewhere but I may put it on my WEB page. If so I will
post the URL here. I was lucky enough to get to know Brian Trubshaw
quite well after he stopped flying. I live about 12 miles from Filton.


--
David CL Francis