Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?

On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote"
It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting process
and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...3ed65?hl=en-gb

On Aug 15, 5:57 pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" For the paranoid, nothing is 100% assured anywhere you go. ...
If you don't trust your elections officials, then you should stay
away from the polls."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...c78b5?hl=en-gb

Seems like you are caught in a downward spiral, and the only way to
pull out is to admit you are acting like a contradicting hypocritical
babbling idiot. No worries i dont expect you do to so.

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columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:

On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote"
It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting process
and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...e3ed65?hl=en-g
b

On Aug 15, 5:57 pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" For the paranoid, nothing is 100% assured anywhere you go. ...
If you don't trust your elections officials, then you should stay
away from the polls."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...1c78b5?hl=en-g
b

Seems like you are caught in a downward spiral, and the only way to
pull out is to admit you are acting like a contradicting hypocritical
babbling idiot. No worries i dont expect you do to so.

No -- I am not. When the criminals are able to stuff the ballot boxes,
the whole electoral system is corrupted. Of course, if the criminals are
able to "lose" opposing ballots, they have also corrupted the system.

All of the above have nothing to do with your paranoid delusion of ID
theft due to voter ID.

In rec.aviation.piloting Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article
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columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:

On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote"
It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting process
and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...e3ed65?hl=en-g
b

On Aug 15, 5:57 pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" For the paranoid, nothing is 100% assured anywhere you go. ...
If you don't trust your elections officials, then you should stay
away from the polls."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...1c78b5?hl=en-g
b

Seems like you are caught in a downward spiral, and the only way to
pull out is to admit you are acting like a contradicting hypocritical
babbling idiot. No worries i dont expect you do to so.

No -- I am not. When the criminals are able to stuff the ballot boxes,
the whole electoral system is corrupted. Of course, if the criminals are
able to "lose" opposing ballots, they have also corrupted the system.

All of the above have nothing to do with your paranoid delusion of ID
theft due to voter ID.

He doesn't understand that and he will never understand that.

His response will be rambling, illogical, paranoid, puerile, and unrealistic
sentence fragments and run on sentences in a giant pile of text.

The fact that he can't break his ramblings logically into paragraphs should
be a big clue.

On Aug 16, 8:45*am, wro
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...6dce64f49f9c4d

On Aug 11, 1:33 pm, wrote:" Utter nonsense.
Poll place officials have to go through some minimum vetting….
Everything is subject to tampering and that is an entirely separate
issue."

On Aug 11, 6:19 pm, wrote:" Yeah, and again,
attempting to copy the additional information to the existing
information would be instantly noticed by one of the anal little old
ladies that tend to make up the bulk of the personnel at a polling
place as "funny business" going on."

On Aug 11, 7:50 pm, wrote:" The people that
run the polling places take the whole thing very seriously and don't
take well to people doing other than what is expected so this isn't
going to happen in the real world."

On Aug 12, 10:16 am, wrote:" In addition,
there are monitors in the room to ensure everyone is doing what they
are supposed to be doing."

On Aug 12, 3:11 pm, wrote:" Well, whoop-de-
do, scatter brain. Lots of people are capable of malice but that is
NOT the issue. The issue is whether or not it would be possible to
perform mass identity theft at a polling place. All your links have
shown is how easy it is to get caught doing any sort of mischief
related to voting."

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...tenced-for-ste...

You incorrectly tried to isolate the argument, which contradicts your
blanket statement “Everything is subject to tampering”. Then you
ignorantly tried to argue the vetting was full proof and produces a
secure environment, which was proven false by my links, and
contradicted by your blanket statement. Then you argued that because
poll workers "take the whole thing very seriously", a secure
environment would be produced which has been proven false by my links
showing a breach of a secure environment, therefore based on your
logic some dont take the "whole thing seriously". Then you argued
that "anal little old ladies" would produce a secure environment, and
my link showed the "anal little old ladies" doing "funny business", a
failure in your vetting and a demonstration of your false sense of
security. My link showed that in spite of the presence of “room
monitors”, and the vetting process, and anal little old ladies a poll
worker left with the poll stole a “voter roster”, a camera phone image
would have less evidence. My links establish the ignorance of your
argument, while at the same time showing identity theft could
potentially be committed by poll worker(s) with good memory by
matching the stolen or digitally imaged voting roster to the ID’s
presented (date of birth, DL #). The point is by mandating the
presentation of personal information without protection at the polling
place, you are making it easier to conduct identity theft. I have
stated increasing the risk, and your weak attempts to marginalize the
risk have failed. My other links have shown the dangers of sharing
personal information in a public setting (shoulder surfing etc.),
which inherently means people should do things to reduce the risk, not
keep acting with a false sense of security. The "whoop-de-do" on you
part is that you know your argument of a secure vetted environment
have been proven to be false, and that was your childish way of
admitting so. Now your argument is an illogical assumption that if
the crime has not been committed it cannot occur, which is a false
sense of security based on ignorance.

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:

No understanding that possible ID theft is distinct and separate issue from
other election related crimes.

Rambling, illogical, puerile, paranoid and unrealistic nonsense in
sentence fragments and long, run on sentences devoid of any logical
separation into paragraphs.

QED.

On Aug 16, 9:10*am, wrote:" No understanding
that possible ID theft is distinct and separate issue from other
election related crimes."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...59b0c96dc919ee

Reductio ad absurdum, by mandating a voter present personal
information in order to cast his or her vote, there is no longer a
separation. My points have countered your bs replies, and now all you
can do is pretend as if the argument does not exist based on the use
of the ad hominem fallacy.

On Aug 16, 8:26*am, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/801891bece1c81c6

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*columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
On Aug 7, 12:29 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote"
It's an even bigger cost when the criminals corrupt the voting process
and elect their fellow criminals to loot the treasury."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...b73e67964e3ed6...
b

On Aug 15, 5:57 pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:" For the paranoid, nothing is 100% assured anywhere you go. ...
If you don't trust your elections officials, then you should stay
away *from the polls."
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...41f9bb9821c78b...
b

Seems like you are caught in a downward spiral, and the only way to
pull out is to admit you are acting like a contradicting hypocritical
babbling idiot. No worries i dont expect you do to so.

No -- I am not. When the criminals are able to stuff the ballot boxes,
the whole electoral system is corrupted. Of course, if the criminals are
able to "lose" opposing ballots, they have also corrupted the system.

All of the above have nothing to do with your paranoid delusion of ID
theft due to voter ID.

So you dont think you should take your own advice, and avoid the polls
as you have clearly demonstrated a paranoia of our system. I find
that funny, as that would mean you dont believe the bs you are
spouting, or you think its ok to say something but act in a different
manner. No deflection and no digression allowed, you failed to take
responsibility for your hypocrisy, you are a troll.

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:


QED once again.

On Aug 16, 1:49 pm, wrote:"" snip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...65fa6aeb70c8e8

On Aug 16, 1:57 pm, wrote:"Google is your
friend and I could give a rat's ass whether you believe it or not or
choose to just listen to distilled propaganda without doing your own
research.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...9d43729eecac0b


i did my own research, its valid, logical and well reasoned, your weak/
invalid attempts challenging my research have been shown one by one to
be pathetic illogical, irrational using "distilled propaganda" as you
call it. I have provided valid sources credible source which back my
argument, on the other hand you have done nothing of the sort.

On Aug 16, 11:43 am, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...9ab20fd4835bef
You incorrectly tried to isolate the argument, which contradicts your
blanket statement “Everything is subject to tampering”. Then you
ignorantly tried to argue the vetting was full proof and produces a
secure environment, which was proven false by my links, and
contradicted by your blanket statement. Then you argued that because
poll workers "take the whole thing very seriously", a secure
environment would be produced which has been proven false by my links
showing a breach of a secure environment, therefore based on your
logic some dont take the "whole thing seriously". Then you argued
that "anal little old ladies" would produce a secure environment, and
my link showed the "anal little old ladies" doing "funny business", a
failure in your vetting and a demonstration of your false sense of
security. My link showed that in spite of the presence of “room
monitors”, and the vetting process, and anal little old ladies a poll
worker left with the poll stole a “voter roster”, a camera phone image
would have less evidence. My links establish the ignorance of your
argument, while at the same time showing identity theft could
potentially be committed by poll worker(s) with good memory by
matching the stolen or digitally imaged voting roster to the ID’s
presented (date of birth, DL #). The point is by mandating the
presentation of personal information without protection at the polling
place, you are making it easier to conduct identity theft. I have
stated increasing the risk, and your weak attempts to marginalize the
risk have failed. My other links have shown the dangers of sharing
personal information in a public setting (shoulder surfing etc.),
which inherently means people should do things to reduce the risk, not
keep acting with a false sense of security. The "whoop-de-do" on you
part is that you know your argument of a secure vetted environment
have been proven to be false, and that was your childish way of
admitting so. Now your argument is an illogical assumption that if
the crime has not been committed it cannot occur, which is a false
sense of security based on ignorance.

http://www.policeandsheriffspress.com/vic/
"Welcome
Welcome to the Georgia Voter ID System website! This site has been
created for you the Georgia Voter Registrar. As you can see from the
menu there are copies of the Quick Reference Guide, Training Manual,
Frequently Asked Questions section, and Contact Information. We hope
that you enjoy using this site and find it to be helpful."

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...tenced-for-ste...
"S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots...
He had with him multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card
that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll
worker's cell phone, police said. Nicholas was arrested at his home in
the Ingleside early the next morning, and about 75 ballots were found
in the lagoon two days after election day. He pleaded guilty in
December to unlawfully carrying away or destroying a poll list and
ballots, in violation of the state elections code"

https://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs17-it.htm
"The crime of identity theft is on the rise. According to a February
2012 Javelin Study, identity theft rose 13% from 2010 to 2011. More
than 11.6 million adults became a victim of identity theft in the
United States during 2011. Identity theft was the number one complaint
filed with the Federal Trade Commission's Consumer Sentinel during
2011." Using a variety of methods, criminals steal Social Security
numbers, driver's licenses, credit card numbers, ATM cards, telephone
calling cards, and other pieces of individuals' identities such as
date of birth. They use this information to impersonate their victims,
spending as much money as they can in as short a time as possible
before moving on to someone else's name and identifying information."

http://www.businesscreditfacts.com/p...ource-Identity
"Beware of shoulder surfers. Protect credit cards, driver's licenses
and checks from wandering eyes.

http://www.privacy.ca.gov/consumers/...ty_theft.shtml
"Identity Theft
Identity Theft First Aid
Identity theft is taking someone else's personal information and using
it for an unlawful purpose (California Penal Code Section 530.5). It
is a serious crime with serious consequences. There were 11.6 million
U.S. adults who were victims of identity theft in 2011. That
represents 4.9% of adults, including over a million Californians. The
total cost of identity theft in 2011 was $18 billion. The average
victim spent $354 and 12 hours to resolve the problem and clear up
records."

http://its.virginia.edu/security/idtheft/

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25
"Ohio poll workers convicted
January 25, 2007
CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections
coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager
Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent
misconduct by an elections employee. They also were convicted of one
misdemeanor count each of failure to perform their duty as elections
employees."

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:

A bunch of rambling, run on, puerile, illogical nonsense, as usual and
posted it to a group where it has no relevance.