Stop The Noise petitions FAA to increase N number size

I was reading GA news and saw this article. I love this quote:

"According to Burgoyne, although the complainer may have a picture of the
aircraft, unless the Nnumber is clearly readable, the FAA will not take
action. "The FAA told us if the N-numbers were bigger, it would help, so we
asked them to make the N-numbers bigger," he said.

"They only have to be three inches high in some cases. The FAA told us 'we
can't do that. AOPA (the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association) would never
let us do that.' So that's why we have taken this course of action through
the petition process."
http://www.generalaviationnews.com/e...index&-nothing

I didn't realize that AOPA runs the FAA.

Earl G

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
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I didn't realize that AOPA runs the FAA.

If only.

I think the Stop The Noise idiots are pretty funny. As if the bulk of their
problem is with aircraft that have the smaller, grandfathered N numbers.
For the vast majority of airplanes, 12-inch numbers are required, and if you
can't read the numbers on those airplanes, the airplane can't possibly be
close enough to be causing an actual problem (i.e. creating significant
noise, never mind violating the FARs).

I know, it's not like the STN idiots care. But hopefully the FAA will
recognize the foolishness of their petition. Actually, I'm hoping that the
FAA will be so offended that STN misquoted them (I can't imagine anyone at
the FAA actually said what they claim the FAA said), that the FAA will just
write them off completely.

Pete

Blurry photos of airplanes is a tactic of our local anti-noise group,
too. The first time they pulled out a stack of these photos in a public
meeting, it was hard to stop laughing long enough to respond. And the
reponse was "this is like taking pictures of cars to the police station,
and demanding that they do something about the people using the same
road over and over again. Do you have any idea how foolish you look?"
Imagine that! Actual photographs of airplanes...legally flying! How
disturbing!

Rip

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
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I didn't realize that AOPA runs the FAA.


If only.

I think the Stop The Noise idiots are pretty funny. As if the bulk of their
problem is with aircraft that have the smaller, grandfathered N numbers.
For the vast majority of airplanes, 12-inch numbers are required, and if you
can't read the numbers on those airplanes, the airplane can't possibly be
close enough to be causing an actual problem (i.e. creating significant
noise, never mind violating the FARs).

I know, it's not like the STN idiots care. But hopefully the FAA will
recognize the foolishness of their petition. Actually, I'm hoping that the
FAA will be so offended that STN misquoted them (I can't imagine anyone at
the FAA actually said what they claim the FAA said), that the FAA will just
write them off completely.

Pete

The reason they want the pics and positive ID is to file nuisance
lawsuits against legally flying pilots for large sums just to harrass
them.


"rip" wrote in message
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Blurry photos of airplanes is a tactic of our local anti-noise group,
too. The first time they pulled out a stack of these photos in a public
meeting, it was hard to stop laughing long enough to respond. And the
reponse was "this is like taking pictures of cars to the police station,
and demanding that they do something about the people using the same
road over and over again. Do you have any idea how foolish you look?"
Imagine that! Actual photographs of airplanes...legally flying! How
disturbing!

Rip

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Earl Grieda" wrote in message
link.net...

I didn't realize that AOPA runs the FAA.


If only.

I think the Stop The Noise idiots are pretty funny. As if the bulk of
their
problem is with aircraft that have the smaller, grandfathered N numbers.
For the vast majority of airplanes, 12-inch numbers are required, and if
you
can't read the numbers on those airplanes, the airplane can't possibly
be
close enough to be causing an actual problem (i.e. creating significant
noise, never mind violating the FARs).

I know, it's not like the STN idiots care. But hopefully the FAA will
recognize the foolishness of their petition. Actually, I'm hoping that
the
FAA will be so offended that STN misquoted them (I can't imagine anyone
at
the FAA actually said what they claim the FAA said), that the FAA will
just
write them off completely.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

I think the Stop The Noise idiots are pretty funny.

There's nothing funny about people who use the civil courts to attack law-abiding
citizens.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...
There's nothing funny about people who use the civil courts to attack
law-abiding
citizens.

Nothing? Nothing at all? I beg to differ. I don't approve of their
tactics, of course, and it's offensive for them to abuse the legal system in
any way. But to say there's NOTHING funny about the situation? Come
on...how can you not be amused at so much stupidity collected in such a
small space?

You could really use a lighter view of the world. You might get a chuckle
once in a while.

Pete

In article , "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

There's nothing funny about people who use the civil courts to attack
law-abiding
citizens.

Nothing? Nothing at all? I beg to differ. I don't approve of their
tactics, of course, and it's offensive for them to abuse the legal system
in
any way. But to say there's NOTHING funny about the situation? Come
on...how can you not be amused at so much stupidity collected in such a
small space?

such stupidity is sad.

such stupidity is disappointing.

such stupidity is offensive.

A little stupidity can be amusing, but on the scale of those
fools, it's anything but funny.

--
Bob Noel

I think the Stop The Noise idiots are pretty funny.

Is your opinion the "Stop The Noise idiots" (sic) are completely insane and
there is absolutely no validity to their complaint whatsoever?

"John Harlow" wrote in message
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Is your opinion the "Stop The Noise idiots" (sic) are completely insane
and
there is absolutely no validity to their complaint whatsoever?

I guess that depends on your definition of "validity". I don't doubt that
they are annoyed by airplane noise. I don't doubt that they feel their
rights are being infringed. However, I expect any person with a complaint
to make an honest, reasonable effort to reach a fair compromise. As soon as
they take a scorched Earth approach such as that being pursued by the "Stop
The Noise idiots" (sic), I feel that they have no right to being considered
at all.

I do my very best to fly as quietly as possible. But the fact remains that
powered aircraft consume a fair amount of energy, a lot of which is emitted
as sound, and that's just a fact of life. I have to put up with genuinely
illegal sources of noise every single day (not having the luxury to live a
hundred miles from my nearest neighbor), and so no, I'm not going to waste a
huge amount of concern on some folks that object to perfectly legal and
comparatively moderate levels of noise.

I don't see how the word "insane" comes into the picture. However, it's
clear that the "Stop The Noise idiots" (sic) are anti-social and have no
respect for the right to the pursuit of happiness except for their own.
These are people that I don't feel deserve the time of day, never mind any
consideration with respect to their complaints.

Does that answer your question?

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

I beg to differ.

You're free to do so, of course, but I find no humor in the situation.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".