Are there any motorgliders that can be logged as complex time?

Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-8, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

Glider CHECK
Airplane NOT CHECK

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:58:10 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-8, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

Glider CHECK
Airplane NOT CHECK

I suppose that makes sense. I just got the notion after helping a friend with the motor brake on his Grob 103. It sounded pretty "complex" to operate while in-flight

On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK

It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)

It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.

What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.

Yes, the FARs are full of "nonsense", what's your point? 61.129 does not say "type", it says airplane. The definition of airplane, according to the FARs is as mentioned above.

Let us know how this works out for you.

On 12/22/2015 1:15 PM, PGS wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 3:00:04 PM UTC-5, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 11:48:17 AM UTC-8, PGS wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:55:07 PM UTC-5, Greg Delp wrote:
On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 2:46:14 PM UTC-5, Chris Snyder wrote:
Power pilots need 10 hours of complex time to earn a commercial rating...could it be done in a motorglider?

Retractable landing gear: CHECK
Controllable pitch prop: CHECK
Flaps: CHECK
It's 10 hours required in an airplane not a glider. Uncheck

61.129(a) (3) (ii)
It would appear that a motor glider is indeed an airplane by the definitions.

Sec. 1.1 -- General definitions.

Airplane means an engine-driven fixed-wing aircraft heavier than air, that is supported in flight by the dynamic reaction of the air against its wings.

Aircraft means a device that is used or intended to be used for flight in the air.
What nonsense. A motorglider is registered as type glider, not an airplane.
Yes, the FARs are full of "nonsense", what's your point? 61.129 does not say "type", it says airplane. The definition of airplane, according to the FARs is as mentioned above.


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Dan, 5J

Complex is as you state, but I'm wondering, does your motor glider have required lights and instrumentation required of airplanes and not just glider? I'm just asking.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 at 2:51:42 PM UTC-8, Casey Cox wrote:
Complex is as you state, but I'm wondering, does your motor glider have required lights and instrumentation required of airplanes and not just glider? I'm just asking.

What does that have to do with anything?

1. There are gliders and there are airplanes. You cannot meet experience requirements that require an airplane in a glider. Same question has been asked on r.a.s. before...

2. Airplanes do not have automatic light requirements, well not for VFR day at least. They have instrumentation requirements, which vary greatly depending on certified or experimental category. But that is all beyond irrelevant because of #1.