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I came across Dr Jack's BLIPMAP forecast page
http://www.drjack.net/BLIPMAP/NE/index.html Probably a lot of good information if you know how to use it (and some very pretty maps), but also not exactly intuitive and slightly overwhelming. Anybody find good use of this material, and in an orderly process how do you proceed to a practical forecast of what may happen thermal wise today at your gliderport? --------- (email reply, remove X's) |
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"Jim" wrote in message ...
I came across Dr Jack's BLIPMAP forecast page http://www.drjack.net/BLIPMAP/NE/index.html Probably a lot of good information if you know how to use it (and some very pretty maps), but also not exactly intuitive and slightly overwhelming. Anybody find good use of this material, and in an orderly process how do you proceed to a practical forecast of what may happen thermal wise today at your gliderport? I started to respond privately since there has been extensive discussion on RAS about blipmap. But then, when I did a google search within RAS on "blipmap", so much came up about contributing, etc. that I decided to post this to the site, knowing full well that many will find this already known. But, I decided that minor inconvenience was worth getting new people like Jim conversant in blipmaps. Blipmap has proven to be the most useful thermal forecast tool most of us (all of us?) have ever used. Compared to Reno FSS' soaring forecast, which gives a single number for updraft strength and top, blipmap shows where to find the lift. And, it's more accurate than anything else I've seen. Early on, when Reno FSS' soaring forecast was predicting 1500 fpm to 18k, and blipmap was predicting a poor day, I had trouble getting over 10k out of Minden. Chalk up one for blipmap. And many others have posted similar experience. Blipmap is based on a 20 km square grid, so what you're seeing is an average over each 20 km square. Hence, most of us have found that the predicted updraft strength, while theoretically a gross figure, tends to match our actual net climb rates (i.e., after subtracting our sink rate). Similarly, while the boundary layer top predicts the very top of the thermals, not the usable top, we have again found that this tends to match the actual top of our climbs fairly well. In addition to updraft strength and boundary layer top, I tend to look at cumulus cloudbase (to determine if I can get to the tops of the thermals and whether they will be blue or marked by cu's), overdevelopment potential (numbers greater than 0 and esp greater than 1 indicate OD potential), wind speed in the boundary layer (preferably under 10 or 15 kts), and B/S ratio if windspeed is significant (B/S = buoyancy to shear ratio must be greater than 5 to prevent broken up thermals), and BL max up/down. The last map shows areas of convergence. Since this is in .01 kts, anything less than 50 (1/2 kt updraft) produces little effect. Between 50 and 100 is likely to produce good cloud streets along the convergence line (esp if cloudbase is close to BL top), and anything over 100 means drop everything and go for it. These maps are available starting sometime between 6 PM and 8 PM (Cal time) the night before and are updated throughout the night, so it's good to double check in the morning and see if it's changed. They are also available at different times of the day, but mostly 10 AM, 1 PM and 4 PM PST (talking as a mostly CA/NV soaring pilot) or 11AM, 2 PM and 5 PM PDT during the summer. These different times give a good indication whether to start early or late. As a final note, I should mention that Blipmap is available free of charge, but is supported by donations to Dr. Jack. Until recently, not only was he putting in unbelievable amounts of time, but also paying for the web hosting and any other expenses. I strongly encourage you to make an annual contribution to keep this great soaring tool alive and well. And, when commenting on blipmap, please keep in mind the volunteer nature of it's existence. Complaining about a missing feature is not the way to make Jack and the other volunteers feel appreciated -- or to keep blipmap alive. I've got my own list of additions I'd love to see, but am grateful for how far blipmap has taken us. On the days when the server is down, I feel almost lost without it. And, many days that I wasn't planning to fly, but blipmap encouraged me by a great forecast, have paid off handsomely. It's not perfect, but it's a quantum improvement over what existed before. Hope this helps. Martin |
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Martin,
In trying to understand the basics of of what underlies Dr. Jack's forecast, I also look at the following site (Link is on the good Doctor's page at the bottom: http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/java/ The advantage I see in this NOAA site is in the direct depiction of "virtual soundings" for every hour of the forecast day. The site predicts the air mass structure with temps, dew points and winds for an airport of your choice, in my case Aurora (ARR), Illinois. The little Java applet that loads with the page allows you to 'hover' your pointer on the graph at your local altitude and predicted temperature. Upon clicking, the program draws the dry and wet adiabates, showing cloud bases and temperature spread. I usually look at the hours from 12PM to 6PM and get at very good idea of how the day is shaping up and when it's dying. Being so close to Lake Michigan I appreciate of course the mapping of all the other parameters on Dr. Jack's site in determining what area to fly in. Herb Kilian, J7 (Martin Hellman) wrote in message ...Blipmap has proven to be the most useful thermal forecast tool most of us (all of us?) have ever used. Compared to Reno FSS' soaring forecast, which gives a single number for updraft strength and top, blipmap shows where to find the lift. And, it's more accurate than anything else I've seen. Early on, when Reno FSS' soaring forecast was predicting 1500 fpm to 18k, and blipmap was predicting a poor day, I had trouble getting over 10k out of Minden. Chalk up one for blipmap. And many others have posted similar experience.... |
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![]() "Herbert Kilian" wrote in message om... Martin, In trying to understand the basics of of what underlies Dr. Jack's forecast, I also look at the following site (Link is on the good Doctor's page at the bottom: http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/java/ The advantage I see in this NOAA site is in the direct depiction of "virtual soundings" for every hour of the forecast day. The site predicts the air mass structure with temps, dew points and winds for an airport of your choice, in my case Aurora (ARR), Illinois. The little Java applet that loads with the page allows you to 'hover' your pointer on the graph at your local altitude and predicted temperature. Upon clicking, the program draws the dry and wet adiabates, showing cloud bases and temperature spread. I usually look at the hours from 12PM to 6PM and get at very good idea of how the day is shaping up and when it's dying. Being so close to Lake Michigan I appreciate of course the mapping of all the other parameters on Dr. Jack's site in determining what area to fly in. Herb Kilian, J7 Also, clicking and dragging out a rectangle allows you to "zoom in" on that area of interest. So, for example, if you don't expect to get to 60,000 feet that day, you can get a rectangle that only goes to, say, 18,000. Tim Ward |
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Tim, please explain how to do this clicking and dragging
of rectangles and what software might be needed. I just went to a blipmap and couldn't find anything that would drag. At 17:24 29 November 2003, Tim Ward wrote: 'Herbert Kilian' wrote in message . com... Martin, In trying to understand the basics of of what underlies Dr. Jack's forecast, I also look at the following site (Link is on the good Doctor's page at the bottom: http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/java/ The advantage I see in this NOAA site is in the direct depiction of 'virtual soundings' for every hour of the forecast day. The site predicts the air mass structure with temps, dew points and winds for an airport of your choice, in my case Aurora (ARR), Illinois. The little Java applet that loads with the page allows you to 'hover' your pointer on the graph at your local altitude and predicted temperature. Upon clicking, the program draws the dry and wet adiabates, showing cloud bases and temperature spread. I usually look at the hours from 12PM to 6PM and get at very good idea of how the day is shaping up and when it's dying. Being so close to Lake Michigan I appreciate of course the mapping of all the other parameters on Dr. Jack's site in determining what area to fly in. Herb Kilian, J7 Also, clicking and dragging out a rectangle allows you to 'zoom in' on that area of interest. So, for example, if you don't expect to get to 60,000 feet that day, you can get a rectangle that only goes to, say, 18,000. Tim Ward |
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![]() "Nyal Williams" wrote in message ... Tim, please explain how to do this clicking and dragging of rectangles and what software might be needed. I just went to a blipmap and couldn't find anything that would drag. I'm sorry, I thought from the context it was clear I was talking about the Java applet at: http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/java/ that Herbert Kilian was referring to, not BLIPMAPS. I guess the context wasn't that clear after all. Tim Ward At 17:24 29 November 2003, Tim Ward wrote: 'Herbert Kilian' wrote in message . com... Martin, In trying to understand the basics of of what underlies Dr. Jack's forecast, I also look at the following site (Link is on the good Doctor's page at the bottom: http://www-frd.fsl.noaa.gov/mab/soundings/java/ The advantage I see in this NOAA site is in the direct depiction of 'virtual soundings' for every hour of the forecast day. The site predicts the air mass structure with temps, dew points and winds for an airport of your choice, in my case Aurora (ARR), Illinois. The little Java applet that loads with the page allows you to 'hover' your pointer on the graph at your local altitude and predicted temperature. Upon clicking, the program draws the dry and wet adiabates, showing cloud bases and temperature spread. I usually look at the hours from 12PM to 6PM and get at very good idea of how the day is shaping up and when it's dying. Being so close to Lake Michigan I appreciate of course the mapping of all the other parameters on Dr. Jack's site in determining what area to fly in. Herb Kilian, J7 Also, clicking and dragging out a rectangle allows you to 'zoom in' on that area of interest. So, for example, if you don't expect to get to 60,000 feet that day, you can get a rectangle that only goes to, say, 18,000. Tim Ward |
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Jim wrote:
I came across Dr Jack's BLIPMAP forecast page http://www.drjack.net/BLIPMAP/NE/index.html Probably a lot of good information if you know how to use it (and some very pretty maps), but also not exactly intuitive and slightly overwhelming. Anybody find good use of this material, and in an orderly process how do you proceed to a practical forecast of what may happen thermal wise today at your gliderport? Jim, First, look at the "For New Users" section of http://www.drjack.net/BLIPMAP/help.html Second, how you use them depends to some degree on your weather knowledge, your area, and your previous experience. Personally, for where I live, I first look at the "Height of BL Top" prediction to see if further investigation is worthwhile, and if it is then check out the "W*" plot, the "Cumulus Potential" plot, and -- since this can be important in my area -- the "Convergence" plot to see if they also look good. Often that is enough, but other times I will also feel the need to also look at other predictions, for example the "Buoyancy/Shear Ratio" plot if I think the windspeeds may be strong or the "Cumulus Cloudbase" if I think BL clouds might be a problem. Your needs may vary - for instance, over the Nevada desert the "Overdeveopment" predictions become important and should also be checked. Jack |
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