Electronic declaration

2 questions folks.

1 - How does one declared a free distance task electronically?
Declare takeoff and (possible) landing points only?

2 - If a declaration of any task is made electronically and the logger is
sealed in the glider does the declaration still need to be refreshed every
day to include the date of the flight or will one declaration cover several
days of flying?

I'm thinking of a situation where you are away from OO's for a period.

TIA
Ian

tango4 wrote:

2 questions folks.

1 - How does one declared a free distance task electronically?
Declare takeoff and (possible) landing points only?

No declaration required: tow release would be the start; landing the
finish. A motorglider is a bit different.


2 - If a declaration of any task is made electronically and the logger is
sealed in the glider does the declaration still need to be refreshed every
day to include the date of the flight or will one declaration cover several
days of flying?

THe declaration has to be made before you take off, and there is no time
limit on how long before. I often have a declaration that is a month or
more old.

I'm thinking of a situation where you are away from OO's for a period.

You still need witnesses at the start and finish, though in the case of
a distance flight, the witnesses don't necessarily have to see the landing.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

I'll add couple more questions:

1 - How does one electronically declare a task with post declared start and
finish (such as 1000km diploma where the start and finish do not need to be
declared) without the logger automatically assign the first and last
turnpoints as start/finish?
2 - Can a flight considered valid for FAI badges or records if the power is
temporarily interrupted (which results in 2 log files)?

Thanks,

Ramy Yanetz

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tango4 wrote:

2 questions folks.

1 - How does one declared a free distance task electronically?
Declare takeoff and (possible) landing points only?

No declaration required: tow release would be the start; landing the
finish. A motorglider is a bit different.


2 - If a declaration of any task is made electronically and the logger
is
sealed in the glider does the declaration still need to be refreshed
every
day to include the date of the flight or will one declaration cover
several
days of flying?

THe declaration has to be made before you take off, and there is no time
limit on how long before. I often have a declaration that is a month or
more old.

I'm thinking of a situation where you are away from OO's for a period.

You still need witnesses at the start and finish, though in the case of
a distance flight, the witnesses don't necessarily have to see the
landing.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

"Ramy Yanetz" wrote in message
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I'll add couple more questions:

1 - How does one electronically declare a task with post declared start
and
finish (such as 1000km diploma where the start and finish do not need to
be
declared) without the logger automatically assign the first and last
turnpoints as start/finish?

Can you get a 1000km diploma with a free distance flight? It was my
understanding that Klaus Ohlman has not got a 2000 km diploma because his
flights of 3000 km and more were free distance rather than pre declared.
In 2.1.4 The sporting code states that the badges are awarded for 'distance
flights' of 1000km or more.
A distance flight for badges or for badges and records is defined and must
be declared

2 - Can a flight considered valid for FAI badges or records if the power
is
temporarily interrupted (which results in 2 log files)?


Depends! If the finish of 1 logfile and the start of the next are less than
60 seconds apart then I think you can. Not sure beyond that.


Several years ago the IGC rehashed the sporting code section 3 to simplify
it but if you ask me it's still confusing and I consider myself to be at
least of average intelligence.

Ian

Thanks,

Ramy Yanetz

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tango4 wrote:

2 questions folks.

1 - How does one declared a free distance task electronically?
Declare takeoff and (possible) landing points only?

No declaration required: tow release would be the start; landing the
finish. A motorglider is a bit different.


2 - If a declaration of any task is made electronically and the logger
is
sealed in the glider does the declaration still need to be refreshed
every
day to include the date of the flight or will one declaration cover
several
days of flying?

THe declaration has to be made before you take off, and there is no time
limit on how long before. I often have a declaration that is a month or
more old.

I'm thinking of a situation where you are away from OO's for a period.

You still need witnesses at the start and finish, though in the case of
a distance flight, the witnesses don't necessarily have to see the
landing.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

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2 - Can a flight considered valid for FAI badges or records if the power
is
temporarily interrupted (which results in 2 log files)?


Depends! If the finish of 1 logfile and the start of the next are less than
60 seconds apart then I think you can. Not sure beyond that.

Flight Recorders that comply with the latest specification will continue
with the recording without creating a new file after a power break of up
to about 5 minutes. I remember that Volkslogger does not do this however
many others do.

It would seem logical that five minutes can elapse between the end of
one file and the start of the next. The figure 60 seconds is the maximum
setting between fixes in normal operation, but does not mean that a
break in power exceeding this but less than five minutes will invalidate
the flight.

Tim Newport-Peace

"Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."

tango4 wrote:

Can you get a 1000km diploma with a free distance flight? It was my
understanding that Klaus Ohlman has not got a 2000 km diploma because his
flights of 3000 km and more were free distance rather than pre declared.
In 2.1.4 The sporting code states that the badges are awarded for 'distance
flights' of 1000km or more.
A distance flight for badges or for badges and records is defined and must
be declared

According to this, a straight distance course is allowed:

1.4.5 Distance performance for badges only
a. STRAIGHT DISTANCE
A flight from a START POINT to a FINISH POINT with no TURN POINTS. No
DECLARATION is required unless a START POINT other than the RELEASE
POINT is used or the FINISH POINT is also to be a GOAL.



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Ramy Yanetz wrote:

I'll add couple more questions:

1 - How does one electronically declare a task with post declared start and
finish (such as 1000km diploma where the start and finish do not need to be
declared

No action is required for courses that do not need a declaration. The
start and finish are not "post-declared" but are the release and landing.

without the logger automatically assign the first and last
turnpoints as start/finish?

The logger doesn't automatically do anything - it just lists the
turnpoints. You might see some kind of assignment for takeoff and
landing on flight display programs like SeeYou, but that is not the
logger. What logger are you using?


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Washington State
USA

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Ramy Yanetz wrote:

I'll add couple more questions:

1 - How does one electronically declare a task with post declared start
and
finish (such as 1000km diploma where the start and finish do not need to
be
declared

No action is required for courses that do not need a declaration. The
start and finish are not "post-declared" but are the release and landing.

1000km diploma require declaration of turnpoints only. Start and finish can
indeed be the release and landing.


without the logger automatically assign the first and last
turnpoints as start/finish?

The logger doesn't automatically do anything - it just lists the
turnpoints. You might see some kind of assignment for takeoff and
landing on flight display programs like SeeYou, but that is not the
logger. What logger are you using?

I am using winpilot declaration for volkslogger. It automatically assigns
the first turnpoint as start point and the last as finish, so the declared
task distance is much shorter. Will the release/landing still be considered
as start/finish even if other turnpoints are declared as such?

Ramy

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The start and finish are not "post-declared" but are the release and landing.


Hello Eric,

Do you understand "This course must be declared" in 1.4.5.b. where it also says "The TURN POINTS may be claimed once, in any sequence, or not at all.

Karel, NL

"Ramy Yanetz" schreef in bericht m...

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1000km diploma require declaration of turnpoints only.

1.4.5.b. says "This course must be declared" not "The turnpoints must be declared".

Karel, NL