Wave

9 years after my 300km, yesterday I finally managed to climb a bit
more than 3000m during my first wave flight. Not a big achievement
compared to the "real" wave flights but for me 2005 seems to be a happy
year so far

/Janos

Janos Bauer wrote:

9 years after my 300km, yesterday I finally managed to climb a bit
more than 3000m during my first wave flight. Not a big achievement
compared to the "real" wave flights but for me 2005 seems to be a happy
year so far

What in heaven's name is wrong with a 3000m gain? What, it wasn't
a "real" wave flight because you had the motor on?

C'mon, good for you! I hope you get a nice cake! With a
little rotor cloud on it, of course...
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Mark J. Boyd

Well it was a real wave but not a classic stable one. The lower part
was so unstable with cumulus clouds that the wave collapsed several
times. There was no classic rotor but a hole in the cumulus clouds
indicating wave activity.
Almost everyone outlanded, some did it twice that day. So I was just
lucky to get the right period

/Janos

Mark James Boyd wrote:
Janos Bauer wrote:

9 years after my 300km, yesterday I finally managed to climb a bit
more than 3000m during my first wave flight. Not a big achievement
compared to the "real" wave flights but for me 2005 seems to be a happy
year so far


What in heaven's name is wrong with a 3000m gain? What, it wasn't
a "real" wave flight because you had the motor on?

C'mon, good for you! I hope you get a nice cake! With a
little rotor cloud on it, of course...
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Mark J. Boyd

Well that sounds like it was well worth feeling pleased with yourself.

I did my 3000 metres between Christmas and New Year in my first ever
wave flight but it was very stable with obvious bars and once I got
established it was very straight forward. Well, once Chris who I was
flying with had pointed out where he was climbing that is. I was happily
sitting in wave at 4,200 on the ridge feeling more than pleased with
myself already, once he started climbing I beetled over to where he was
and followed him up.

Very well done and congratulations.

Robin (in the UK)

In message , Janos Bauer
writes

Well it was a real wave but not a classic stable one. The lower part
was so unstable with cumulus clouds that the wave collapsed several
times. There was no classic rotor but a hole in the cumulus clouds
indicating wave activity.
Almost everyone outlanded, some did it twice that day. So I was just
lucky to get the right period

/Janos

Mark James Boyd wrote:
Janos Bauer wrote:

9 years after my 300km, yesterday I finally managed to climb a bit
more than 3000m during my first wave flight. Not a big achievement
compared to the "real" wave flights but for me 2005 seems to be a
happy year so far
What in heaven's name is wrong with a 3000m gain? What, it wasn't
a "real" wave flight because you had the motor on?
C'mon, good for you! I hope you get a nice cake! With a
little rotor cloud on it, of course...
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Mark J. Boyd

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Robin Birch

Yesterday was the REAL wave day! On the same airport where I flown on
Monday, five new 5000m and three 3000m were flown. There was a broken
oxygen system, that's why some pilots only climbed up to 4000m. At the
other nearby airport there were also several 5000m climbs. Some planes
did 3 diamond climbs with different pilots!
Even the IS28B2 climbed over 6000m...
So the New Year brought some diamonds for Hungary

/Janos


Robin Birch wrote:
Well that sounds like it was well worth feeling pleased with yourself.

I did my 3000 metres between Christmas and New Year in my first ever
wave flight but it was very stable with obvious bars and once I got
established it was very straight forward. Well, once Chris who I was
flying with had pointed out where he was climbing that is. I was happily
sitting in wave at 4,200 on the ridge feeling more than pleased with
myself already, once he started climbing I beetled over to where he was
and followed him up.

Very well done and congratulations.

Robin (in the UK)

In message , Janos Bauer
writes


Well it was a real wave but not a classic stable one. The lower part
was so unstable with cumulus clouds that the wave collapsed several
times. There was no classic rotor but a hole in the cumulus clouds
indicating wave activity.
Almost everyone outlanded, some did it twice that day. So I was just
lucky to get the right period

/Janos

Mark James Boyd wrote:

Janos Bauer wrote:

9 years after my 300km, yesterday I finally managed to climb a bit
more than 3000m during my first wave flight. Not a big achievement
compared to the "real" wave flights but for me 2005 seems to be a
happy year so far

What in heaven's name is wrong with a 3000m gain? What, it wasn't
a "real" wave flight because you had the motor on?
C'mon, good for you! I hope you get a nice cake! With a
little rotor cloud on it, of course...
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Mark J. Boyd

Okay ... ignorant but proud pure glider pilot asking here ... what is "idle
thrust"? First cousin of "military intelligence" and "jumbo shrimp"?

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
...
I just received an email containing the following text:

Yesterday, Feb. 13th, at 6:01 am, the pilot of a Boeing 757 west of
Denver
made a PIREP with the following comment, " we went from idle thrust to
FULL
Power to maintain altitude due to Strong Mountain wave".

This was at 37,000 feet!

The only time a jet engine develops zero thrust is when the fire goes
out. You get complimentary life membership to an exclusive gliding club
if you are on a commercial flight that is still airborne when this
happens.

See "Galunggung "and "all four engines have failed" on google


Ian



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Another story of a commercial airliner becoming a glider is the Gimli
Glider that occured in Canada . The Boeing 767 ran out of fuel at
41,000 ft and ended up landing at an old abandoned airport that had
been converted to a drag strip/race track ..While a race was going on
!!!!

IF you have never read this story before take a few minutes and click
on the link below ....its an incredible story !! The Pilot was also
glider pilot and used a side slip on a 767 on final !!


http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimli.html


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keithw
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I read that Gimli Glider write-up and was amazed. I knew about the incident
but hadn't seen this detailed (or well written) of an account.

A couple of things jumped out at me:

snip using 1.77 pounds/liter as the specific gravity factor. This was the
factor written on the refueler's slip and used on all of the other planes in
Air Canada's fleet. The factor the refuelers and the crew should have used
on the brand new, all-metric 767 was .8 kg/liter of kerosene. /snip

If my college physics was correct, 1.77 pounds = 0.8 kg. I assume there's a
typo in that paragraph!

snip As Pearson began gliding the big bird, Quintal "got busy" in the
manuals looking for procedures for dealing with the loss of both engines.
There were none.. Neither he nor Pearson nor any other 767 pilot had ever
been trained on this contingency /snip

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that. The FIRST thing I was taught
in my brief career as a powered flight student was the contingencies of no
engine power from the moment one pushed the throttle forwarded to the moment
one was finished taxiing.

Wow.

2NO


"keithw" wrote in message
...

Another story of a commercial airliner becoming a glider is the Gimli
Glider that occured in Canada . The Boeing 767 ran out of fuel at
41,000 ft and ended up landing at an old abandoned airport that had
been converted to a drag strip/race track ..While a race was going on
!!!!

IF you have never read this story before take a few minutes and click
on the link below ....its an incredible story !! The Pilot was also
glider pilot and used a side slip on a 767 on final !!


http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/gimli.html


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keithw
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Ted Wagner wrote:

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that. The FIRST thing I was taught
in my brief career as a powered flight student was the contingencies of no
engine power from the moment one pushed the throttle forwarded to the moment
one was finished taxiing.

Well, that's a single engine recip approach. With multiple turbines,
multiple simultaneous engine failure is pretty difficult to achieve I
guess - unless you screw up the fuel situation.

Perhaps the reliability stats are reflected in the fact that
transoceanic scheduled flight used to be done with 4 engines (707), then
3 (L1011), now 2 (767). That's a pretty strong statement.