Arlington NASCAR track dead?

Looks good for airplanes and bad for NASCAR fans.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nascar23m.html

Rich S.

Rich S. wrote:
Looks good for airplanes and bad for NASCAR fans.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nascar23m.html

Rich S.


What was the airport impact? Sounds like quite complementary uses. Lots
of NASCAR tracks are adjacent to airports. Daytona is even right at the
big airport there. Most weeks out of the year the facility just takes up
space. Any time you have an event the size of a NASCAR race comes to town,
you get special traffic rules at the local airports regardless of how close
they are...there's a huge Bizjet crowd for these events. (Not limitted ot
auto racing for those of you used to filing all those silly notams in your
jepp binders. The Penn State home games pretty much swamp the three local
airports as well).

"Ron Natalie" wrote:

What was the airport impact?

A NASCAR track with that many seats gives rise to a TFR (stadium rule)
restricting aircraft traffic unless they are in contact with ATC. Arlington,
being an uncontrolled field except once a year during the EAA fly-in, would
be effectively shut down.

Someone with the text of the appropriate regulations is welcome to correct
and or refine this, but AFAIK, that is the gist of the impact.

Rich S.

"Rich S." wrote in message
...
"Ron Natalie" wrote:

What was the airport impact?

A NASCAR track with that many seats gives rise to a TFR (stadium rule)
restricting aircraft traffic unless they are in contact with ATC.
Arlington,
being an uncontrolled field except once a year during the EAA fly-in,
would
be effectively shut down.

Someone with the text of the appropriate regulations is welcome to correct
and or refine this, but AFAIK, that is the gist of the impact.

There is nothing in the stadium TFR that closes down untowered airfields. Of
course, the knotheads at Arlington never could understand that, would not
listen to reason, and continued to squawk like a bunch of wet hens while
making no sense at all. The text of the actual TFR is:

Actual TFR
FDC 3/1862 FDC PART 1 OF 2 SPECIAL NOTICE. THIS NOTICE MODIFIES FLIGHT
RESTRICTIONS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED IN FDC NOTAM 2/0199 TO COMPLY WITH STATUTORY
MANDATES DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7. EFFECTIVE 0303061100
UTC (0600 LOCAL 03/06/03) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION
99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, COMMENCING ONE HOUR BEFORE THE
SCHEDULED TIME OF THE EVENT UNTIL ONE HOUR AFTER THE END OF THE EVENT, ALL
AIRCRAFT AND PARACHUTE OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET AGL
WITHIN A THREE NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A SEATING CAPACITY
OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE IN WHICH A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL FOOTBALL
LEAGUE, NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL, OR MAJOR MOTOR SPEEDWAY EVENT IS
OCCURING. ALL PREVIOUSLY ISSUED WAIVERS TO FDC NOTAM 2/0199 ARE RESCINDED.
THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY REAPPLY FOR A WAIVER TO
THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF AN EVENT, STADIUM, OR
OTHER VENUE, INCLUDING (IN THE CASE OF A SPORTING EVENT) THE TRANSPORT OF
EQUIPMENT OR PARTS, TEAM MEMBERS, OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY, THE
IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND GUESTS OF SUCH TEAMS, AND OFFICIALS TO AND FROM
THE EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTHER VENUE, END PART 1 OF 2
FDC 3/1862 FDC PART 2 OF 2 SPECIAL NOTICE. (B) FOR BROADCAST COVERAGE
FOR ANY BROADCAST RIGHTS HOLDER, (C) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF THE
EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTHER VENUE. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO; (A)
THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES
INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING STANDARD AIR
TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR
AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH ATC. STADIUM SITE
LOCATIONS AND INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7 CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT
HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER OR BY CALLING 571-227-1322. PART 2 OF 2

As you can see, aircraft may continue to arrive at and depart from an
airport using standard air traffic procedures. Far from "effectively
shutting down" Arlington during a race, it specifically says that Arlington
would have to be kept open.

Around here, the Hudson river VFR corridor is shut down anytime a game is on
at Yankee stadium. Of course, no one in Flight Services knows the schedule,
so you have to check the Yankee Baseball website to see if you can fly.
Why they can't be required to keep all the required data in one place (like
FSS) is beyond me.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...


Actual TFR
COMMENCING ONE HOUR BEFORE THE
SCHEDULED TIME OF THE EVENT UNTIL ONE HOUR AFTER THE END OF THE EVENT, ALL
AIRCRAFT AND PARACHUTE OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET
AGL
WITHIN A THREE NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A SEATING
CAPACITY
OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE IN WHICH A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL
FOOTBALL
LEAGUE, NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL, OR MAJOR MOTOR SPEEDWAY EVENT IS
OCCURING.

CJ,

It sounds like you have a different interpretation of "authorized by ATC'
than the folks against the track. Are you saying that one can go NORDO into
and out of that field during a race?

That's the complaints I was hearing, that many of the planes would be
grounded, especially experimentals.


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"Rich S." wrote in message
...
"Ron Natalie" wrote:

What was the airport impact?

A NASCAR track with that many seats gives rise to a TFR (stadium rule)
restricting aircraft traffic unless they are in contact with ATC.
Arlington,
being an uncontrolled field except once a year during the EAA fly-in,
would
be effectively shut down.

Someone with the text of the appropriate regulations is welcome to
correct
and or refine this, but AFAIK, that is the gist of the impact.

There is nothing in the stadium TFR that closes down untowered airfields.
Of
course, the knotheads at Arlington never could understand that, would not
listen to reason, and continued to squawk like a bunch of wet hens while
making no sense at all. The text of the actual TFR is:

Actual TFR
FDC 3/1862 FDC PART 1 OF 2 SPECIAL NOTICE. THIS NOTICE MODIFIES
FLIGHT
RESTRICTIONS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED IN FDC NOTAM 2/0199 TO COMPLY WITH
STATUTORY
MANDATES DETAILED IN SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7. EFFECTIVE 0303061100
UTC (0600 LOCAL 03/06/03) UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. PURSUANT TO 14 CFR SECTION
99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS, COMMENCING ONE HOUR BEFORE THE
SCHEDULED TIME OF THE EVENT UNTIL ONE HOUR AFTER THE END OF THE EVENT, ALL
AIRCRAFT AND PARACHUTE OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000 FEET
AGL
WITHIN A THREE NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A SEATING
CAPACITY
OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE IN WHICH A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, NATIONAL
FOOTBALL
LEAGUE, NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL, OR MAJOR MOTOR SPEEDWAY EVENT IS
OCCURING. ALL PREVIOUSLY ISSUED WAIVERS TO FDC NOTAM 2/0199 ARE RESCINDED.
THOSE WHO MEET ANY OF THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA MAY REAPPLY FOR A WAIVER TO
THESE RESTRICTIONS: (A) FOR OPERATIONAL PURPOSES OF AN EVENT, STADIUM, OR
OTHER VENUE, INCLUDING (IN THE CASE OF A SPORTING EVENT) THE TRANSPORT OF
EQUIPMENT OR PARTS, TEAM MEMBERS, OFFICIALS OF THE GOVERNING BODY, THE
IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS AND GUESTS OF SUCH TEAMS, AND OFFICIALS TO AND
FROM
THE EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTHER VENUE, END PART 1 OF 2
FDC 3/1862 FDC PART 2 OF 2 SPECIAL NOTICE. (B) FOR BROADCAST COVERAGE
FOR ANY BROADCAST RIGHTS HOLDER, (C) FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY PURPOSES OF
THE
EVENT, STADIUM, OR OTHER VENUE. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT APPLY TO; (A)
THOSE AIRCRAFT AUTHORIZED BY ATC FOR OPERATIONAL OR SAFETY PURPOSES
INCLUDING AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING FROM AN AIRPORT USING STANDARD
AIR
TRAFFIC PROCEDURES; (B) DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR
AEROMEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS THAT ARE IN CONTACT WITH ATC. STADIUM SITE
LOCATIONS AND INFORMATION REGARDING WAIVER APPLICATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH
SECTION 352 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-7 CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE AT
HTTP://WWW.FAA.GOV/ATS/ATA/WAIVER OR BY CALLING 571-227-1322. PART 2 OF 2

As you can see, aircraft may continue to arrive at and depart from an
airport using standard air traffic procedures. Far from "effectively
shutting down" Arlington during a race, it specifically says that
Arlington
would have to be kept open.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

As you can see, aircraft may continue to arrive at and depart from an
airport using standard air traffic procedures. Far from "effectively
shutting down" Arlington during a race, it specifically says that
Arlington
would have to be kept open.

C.J. ...........

You seem to be correct as far as the wording goes. I wonder how this
translates to "real world" operations? Do the guys in the Blackhawk helos
interpret it this way?

Rich S.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
CJ,

It sounds like you have a different interpretation of "authorized by ATC'
than the folks against the track. Are you saying that one can go NORDO
into
and out of that field during a race?

That's the complaints I was hearing, that many of the planes would be
grounded, especially experimentals.

Following published procedures in AIM is supposed to give you a safe haven
for ATC authorization. In fact, the letter by the administrator right in the
front of the book says so. Now, AIM specifies procedures for flying into
uncontrolled fields. That sure sounds like ATC authorization to me.

Besides, even if the folks against the track were correct, it does not
"effectively shut down Arlington." It only shuts it down for the squirrels
that are based there who like to practice aerobatics on short final, refuse
to use CTAF even if they radios, and who think nothing of cutting you off or
buzzing you when you have the right of way. There is a small contingent of
nuts there that thinks they own the airport and their real problem is that
if the track were built then the airport might actually have to be operated
like one.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 20:29:05 -0800, "C J Campbell"
wrote:

Besides, even if the folks against the track were correct, it does not
"effectively shut down Arlington." It only shuts it down for the squirrels
that are based there who like to practice aerobatics on short final, refuse
to use CTAF even if they radios, and who think nothing of cutting you off or
buzzing you when you have the right of way. There is a small contingent of
nuts there that thinks they own the airport and their real problem is that
if the track were built then the airport might actually have to be operated
like one.

Pretty much a moot point, since the airport issues had nothing to do with the
decision.

For those outside the Puget Sound area, the deal was killed when the developers
offered to put up $50M of the estimated $300M cost...and expected the state and
local governments to pony up the rest, plus another $70M in road improvements.
The county also wanted a guarantee that the track would actually host one of the
top races (Nextel Cup), and the developers wouldn't agree.

Ron Wanttaja

Rich S. wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote:


What was the airport impact?


A NASCAR track with that many seats gives rise to a TFR (stadium rule)
restricting aircraft traffic unless they are in contact with ATC. Arlington,
being an uncontrolled field except once a year during the EAA fly-in, would
be effectively shut down.

Believe me, if you had a NASCAR national event there, they will most likely
put in a temporary tower. There's a TON of heavy metal that follows that
circuit around.