buy your sailplane scam?

Wings and Wheels has a warning on it's classified page:

Warning !
If you receive an email similar to this example
it is a scam
"Hello,I Am interested in buying your advertised ads for sale {JANTAR
GFK SAILPLANE} that been posted on the ad 2004 i am a seller that buy
items and resell so want to buy your JANTAR SAILPLANE. I will like to
know the actual price you want to offer it for sale and the present
condition and the pics of it.and mode of my payment will be a cheque
drawn from an UK bank. Note that the shipping will be handle by my
shipper that will come to you house for that pickup,if this is okay by
you i want you to get back to me with your full name, your full contact
address and your full phone number. best regards Smith."

How is this scam supposed to work?

I'm getting some interest on a glider I'm selling from someone who's
emails look suspiciously like that above. How does this work?

Thanks,
Matt

At 16:12 10 December 2005, wrote:

How is this scam supposed to work?

I'm getting some interest on a glider I'm selling from
someone who's
emails look suspiciously like that above. How does
this work?


It's one of a class of internet scams collectively
referred to as the Nigerian scam. Here's a description,
though there are many variants:

http://www.sailingtexas.com/chumor4.html

9B

"Andy Blackburn" wrote in message
...
At 16:12 10 December 2005, wrote:

How is this scam supposed to work?

I'm getting some interest on a glider I'm selling from
someone who's
emails look suspiciously like that above. How does
this work?


It's one of a class of internet scams collectively
referred to as the Nigerian scam. Here's a description,
though there are many variants:

http://www.sailingtexas.com/chumor4.html

9B

It has also been done to the unsuspecting around here.. car for sale ad in
the local papers..
and the "scam artist" pays with to large of a bogus bank draft.. takes the
"change and the car" and then when the bank comes back and denies the
deposit because it is counterfeit.. the car seller is "accused of passing
bad paper"
BT

I read the boat for sale exchange. What a hoot! Can you imagine
someone in the United Arab Emirates buying a vintage Cherokee glider
without asking about flying qualities condition etc. and paying the
shipping!? It must be that billionaire sultan VSA member who is
setting up the museum there. Yup, that's gotta be it...

MM

It gets worse, though.

Many of the cashier's checks or drafts are such good counterfeits that
the bank may actually deposit the money in your account and then suck
it out again a week or so later when they discover it's bogus. This
only happens when it's presented to the "issuing" bank in Lagos or
wherever.

If the checks were bounced on presentation, it wouldn't be such a big
problem. But people end up seeing the money in their account, wiring
the "extra" to the "buyer", then owing the bank money when the original
deposit is reversed.

Of course, it's worse for goods that are smaller and easily shipped.
In those cases, you're out the goods as well as the money.

Maybe Tim Mara will share with the group his actual experience of such
a scam - he told me about this some time ago.

Mike

I would like to hear of any accounts of sellers succeeding in scamming
the scammer...

~tuno

I would also add that one shouldn't accept even a cashier's or bank
check from someone you don't know or who can be verified. There have
been many reports of persons using phony "certified" checks to puchase
expensive cars and boats; and when these checks are out into the system
it may take several weeks for the bank they're drawn to to declare them
false.


Noel Anderson
Canaan, CT

Ask the buyer to do a wire transfer.


noel56z wrote:
I would also add that one shouldn't accept even a cashier's or bank
check from someone you don't know or who can be verified. There have
been many reports of persons using phony "certified" checks to puchase
expensive cars and boats; and when these checks are out into the system
it may take several weeks for the bank they're drawn to to declare them
false.


Noel Anderson
Canaan, CT

wrote:
Wings and Wheels has a warning on it's classified page:

Warning !
If you receive an email similar to this example
it is a scam
"Hello,I Am interested in buying your advertised ads for sale {JANTAR
GFK SAILPLANE} that been posted on the ad 2004 i am a seller that buy
items and resell so want to buy your JANTAR SAILPLANE. I will like to
know the actual price you want to offer it for sale and the present
condition and the pics of it.and mode of my payment will be a cheque
drawn from an UK bank. Note that the shipping will be handle by my
shipper that will come to you house for that pickup,if this is okay by
you i want you to get back to me with your full name, your full contact
address and your full phone number. best regards Smith."

How is this scam supposed to work?

I'm getting some interest on a glider I'm selling from someone who's
emails look suspiciously like that above. How does this work?

Gliders are so specialized, I think the seller could easily determine
whether the buyer is legitimate. Call him, tell him you'd like to know
him a bit better before completing the deal, and ask about his gliding
experience, where he flies, what club he belongs, and what launch method
he uses. A real glider pilot should be eager to discuss soaring, and a
few minutes of conversation would be enough to determine he is a glider
pilot. A "glider pilot" with no connections to anything glider related,
and no knowledge of soaring, is not a glider pilot.

Another possibility: perhaps an escrow account could be set up and let
the money sit there for a period acceptable to both parties, before the
glider and cash are exchanged.

--
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA

The real give-away that this is a scam is there willingness to:
1. Send you a cashier's check without inspection of goods (glider)
2. The check is for MORE than the amount of the glider.
I cannot imagine a legimate buyer who would do this. My suggestion was
totally aimed at ****ing off these scammers.

The FBI and U.S. Postal Service don't persue these guys because the
Nigerian government looks the other way and will not cooperate, so you
can save your time r.e. reporting the scam.

Tom